I'd like to add one more suggestion to your list of alternatives;
Vitis vinifera 'purpurpea' (the purple leafed grape) Not only is it one of the parents of the hybrid 'Roger's Red', it is more mannerly in its habit, and the inedible fruit dries on the vine into hard little raisins. Only the birds like them! The new spring foliage is quite purple, turning greenish in summer, and flame red in autumn before falling.
Jan Smithen Upland, Cal. SS Zone 18
On Apr 21, 2011, at 11:02 PM, Ben Armentrout-Wiswall wrote: Hi Karrie,We have several Vitis 'Roger's Red' growing on a large pergola. Although handsome, I've found them to be slow, only beginning to cover the pergola 5 years after planting. They can do with little irrigation, but grow much faster with regular water.
They are messy; lots of little grapes drop for at least a month or two in late summer. We've remedied this situation by stapling shade-cloth to the undersides of the pergola beams, simultaneously supplementing the rather spotty shade and blocking the dropping grapes.
As for maintenance, they're not too bad: I've done one winter pruning in five years, and occasional trimming and training in summer.
Overall, I'd recommend another vine, maybe Parthenocissus virginiana for fall color, or Rosa banksia, Rosa Climbing Cecile Brunner, Distictis, Hardenbergia, or Pandorea for summer shade. (Stay away from Wisteria, though, it can be a maintenance monster!)
Hope that helps! Best, Ben Armentrout-Wiswall Simi Valley,CA
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Bracey Tiede <t*@pacbell.net> wrote:
Hi Karrie,
We have a ‘Roger’s Red’ on a 4’ high fence along the back property line in hot San Jose. It is at least 30 feet wide with moderate trimming. I would expect a very large arbor might accommodate it or you will be spending a lot of time pruning it.
Cheers,
Bracey
From: m*@ucdavis.edu [mailto:m*@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Karrie Reid
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:56 PM
To: medit-plants
Subject: Using Roger's Red
I know we have discussed it in the past, but I don’t have time to search the archives. Does anyone have experiences either good or bad about using Roger’s Red on an arbor. Any considerations about messiness, maintenance, etc. are appreciated.
Karrie Reid Environmental Horticulture Advisor UC Cooperative Extension, San Joaquin County http://ucanr.org/sites/sjcoeh/
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