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Re: Help with Lupines

Thanks Jose. Elementary mistake on ph ! Knew Rhododendrons/Azaleas were out
of the question and leapt to the wrong conclusion. Back to school ! Soil
comment a good fit.  
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> From: Jose Almandoz. <almand@arrakis.es>
> To: perennials@mallorn.com
> Subject: RE: Help with Lupines
> Date: 11 August 1997 22:17
> 
> Hi Mark!
> 
> Your soil with pH 6.5 is slightly ACID!!!. pH 7 is neutral, and all above
7
> is alkaline. Other than acid soil, lupines need deep, rich fresh soil.
> 
> Jose
> almand@arrakis.es
> Northern Spain, zone 9, humid oceanic climate
>  
> 
> ----------
> > De: Mark Speakman <markspkn@iol.ie>
> > A: perennials@mallorn.com
> > Asunto: Re: Help with Lupines
> > Fecha: lunes 11 de agosto de 1997 21:15
> > 
> > My soil is alkaline, 6.5, and my Lupins thrive. Ward-Lock Gardening
> Encycl.
> > insist they hate alkaline soils. Reader's Digest Creative Gardening
> > recommend them for nuetral to acid soils only, but there you are !
> Suspect
> > that they dislike getting dried out .... here in the west of Ireland we
> > have continual, if not continuous ! rain. As most acid soil is moisture
> > retentive, and tends to occur in high rainfall areas, could this be the
> > connection ?
> > Do persist ... I adore the way lupins positively glow in the twilight
..
> 
> > something to do with the colours perhaps ?
> > Mark
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: Donna Wilson <donnaw@axionet.com>
> > > To: perennials@mallorn.com
> > > Subject: Re: Help with Lupines
> > > Date: 10 August 1997 23:04
> > > 
> > > Not an expert by any means.  Grown lupins for 3 years.  The book
> (looking
> > at
> > > Damrosch's Garden Primer which was handy) says they like moist acidic
> > rich
> > > soil with lots of organic matter. 
> > > In my experience you can cheat on the richness of the soil but not
the
> > > acidic part or the moisture.  And mine -- Russel hybrids -- do way
> better
> > in
> > > part shade than full mid-day sun.  I've had plants that didn't flower
> > very
> > > well -- if at all -- the first year but come back in full glory in
year
> > two.
> > > They also don't last very long here but self sow like crazy.  Try at
> > least
> > > once more!  They are wonderful.  Good luck.  Regards, Donna. (Zone
5+) 
>  
> >  
> > > 
> > > At 10:27 AM 10 08 97 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >So the motto is never give up until you've killed something 3 times?
> > > >Hmmmm . . . .I'm on my last chance with my Russell Hybrid Lupines
> > > >(Lupinus Polyphyllus).
> > > >
> > > >I planted them last fall and they made it through a mild (for our
> area)
> > > >winter just fine.  The plants came up well in the spring - better
than
> > > >any other attempts thus far.  They are in 3/4 Sun, in our standard
> > > >(mostly clay) soil with mulch added yearly and on the side of a
slight
> > > >slope that drains well.  I got ONE flower in June and the plants
> > > >shriveled and browned away . . . . en masse.
> > > >
> > > >Is this one of those flowers I will simply be unable to grow? 
Thanks
> in
> > > >advance for any help you can give me.
> > > >
> > > >Lena
> > > >Lena36@juno.com
> > > >Zone 5 (Southeastern Wisconsin - 20 miles from Lake Michigan)
> > > >
> > >
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