Re: perennials DIGEST V2 #922

I would like more info on "corn meal
glutin" Where do I get it?  Or is this
something that can be made?

Sandy zone 5

perennials DIGEST wrote:
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> perennials DIGEST       Sunday, February 7 1999       Volume 02 : Number 922
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> In this issue:
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>         Re: corn meal glutin & reading soil tests
>         Re: bees and butterflies
>         Re: pawpaws, was honey bees
>         Re: bees and butterflies
>         Re: bees and butterflies
>         Re: Vines
>         Re: pawpaws, was honey bees
>         Re: Vines
>         Re: Vines (was Winter Interest)
>         Re: Vines
>         Re: Vines and arch
>         Re: Vines and arch
> 
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:27:29 -0600 (CST)
> From: sjknauss@webtv.net (sally knauss)
> Subject: Re: corn meal glutin & reading soil tests
> 
> Please be careful with the corn meal glutin, it is a pre-emergant weed
> killer!  It's not sold that way, but that's what it will do.  Use it 6
> weeks prior to setting out new plants.  It will also kill already
> emerging new growth according to the information that I have read.
> 
> I also have a hard time reading my soil test results.  Our county
> extension agent always makes a note at the bottom for us.  It reads the
> same EVERY year.  Use 20 to 30 pounds of 10-10-10 for 1000 sq. feet. (It
> may just be a basic rule of thumb) A year ago our results came back
> saying that our soil was very high in Potassium and low in Phosphorus,
> and we were  given the above prescription.  We didn't, instead we used
> Sulpolmag (I think that's the correct spelling) and followed the
> instructions on the bag.  We had a wonderful crop that year.
> Sally
> zone 6, west KY'
> and I still can't hear a thing.
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:32:30 -0600
> From: "Saxman" <saxmanbc@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: bees and butterflies
> 
> >
> >If you want butterflies you must plants swamp milkweed, ASCLEPIAS
> incarnata.
> >They love this sweet smelling plant. It does very well in the landscape if
> >watered every once in a while, the only problems I have had with them is
> the
> >Monarch Butterflies want to lay their eggs on them.
> >Another group of plants butterflies love are the upright growing sedum's.
> >
> >Paul Henjum
> >Specialty Perennials
> >Zone 4
> >Minnesota
> >http://hardyplants.com
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>  I had so many butterflies in my yard last year it looked like a swarm of
> gnats! Except they were big and pretty.
> With the Monarch butterfly, I removed the caterpillars to an insect cage my
> son had when he was little. It is just a plastic square case with a
> removable top and air holes. It is available in the reptile sections of
> stores.
>  Then I removed the leaves of the plant so as not to detract from its
> appearance. I placed the box on top of my computer hutch with the leaves
> that I changed daily. I put a little lid with water in it for them if they
> needed it.
>  After a short while they quit eating and spun a cocoon and in a few weeks
> started to hatch. I then released them and all was well again.
>  It seems like zinnia, butterfly weed, and cosmos, just about anything was
> covered in butterflies. I think mass plantings of anything will attract
> them. I also had gobs of ladybugs to control the aphids! Beginners luck,
> maybe.
>  Windy
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 12:39:06 -0600 (CST)
> From: sjknauss@webtv.net (sally knauss)
> Subject: Re: pawpaws, was honey bees
> 
> It's okay, Neil.  Always go on private property with permission.
> Shovels in hand, with baskets, bags and the like.  We went mushrooming
> and didn't find a one, but man o man at the wildflowers!  Got some
> solomon seal, wild ginsing, and a few others I can't remember right off
> hand.  We never take from an area that isn't at least saturated with the
> intended plants and we never take more than 2 or 3 each.  Five people go
> and only two take plants.  My son did take home six terrapins though!
> Are they protected?  It does make for a fun day with good friends.  Even
> if I didn't get my morels!
> Sally
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 13:31:08 -0600 (CST)
> From: sjknauss@webtv.net (sally knauss)
> Subject: Re: bees and butterflies
> 
> Okay folks, let's face it.  If you can attract the bees, the hummers and
> butterflies will follow.  They are all attracted by color and smell.
> But, if you give them what we all need, ie; food, water and shelter and
> in some cases a place to over winter you'll have them for life.  Don't
> just settle for the one or two you can attract with pretty flowers, go
> for the gusto and raise your own!  For butterflies particularly, they
> not only want the nectar but some place suitable to lay their eggs.
> 
> Here's a list of larvae food plants.  I will limit it to only the
> perennial and biennial to stay on topic. Hollyhock, milkweed. asters,
> dicentra, digitalis, eriogonum, geum, heliotropium, linaria, lupinus
> penstemon, veronica, passiflora, strawberry, wisteria, cassia,  hibicus,
> lavatera, malva, plumbago, ribes, rose, spiraea, viburnum,
> horsechestnut, birch, cornus, hawthorn, malus, sycamores,  oaks,
> willows, poplar and many more natives.
> 
> For adut butterflies try these.  Yarrow,columbine, thrift, butterfly
> weed, aster, astilbe, borage, cupid's dart, plumbago, shasta daisy,
> coreopis, dlephinium, dianthus, echinacea, globe thistle, erigeron,
> eryngium, gaillardia, heliotrope, dame's rocket, iberis, liatris,
> lobelia, monarda,penstemon, phlox, rudbeckia, slavia, sedum, solidago,
> verbena, ablelia, buddleia, heather, lantana, lavander, honeysuckle,
> potentilla, ribes, rosemary, spiraea, lilac, vitex, maples
> horsechestnut, apples, citrus,  and hundreds more.
> 
> A fun thing to do in the summer and into the fall is to provide a place
> for the males to "puddle".  A bucket of over ripe fruit (we used pairs)
> mixed with water or (mashed bananas) stale beer works well. An easier
> and less smelly way is to put a pie plate with sand, water and salt out.
> The guys like to hang out and get drunk.  We did both here and had also
> set up traps to see what kinds and popultions were flying around.  It
> was an experience to say the least.  I didn't realize I had drawn so
> many different kinds or so many.  I thought I kept seeing the same ones
> over and over.  I keep thinking I'm going to try one of those butterfly
> feeders I see every now and then, but I never see a refill, so haven't
> gotten one yet.
> Sally
> zone 6, west KY
> and I promise not to say anything else today!
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> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:42:00 -0800
> From: James & Donna Davis <dsdavis@intop.net>
> Subject: Re: bees and butterflies
> 
> Sally
> 
> your post about attracting bees  was great.   I have several of the
> plants that you mentioned and now I understand why I have so many bees,
> and I also have quite a few butterflies.  some times you can hardly walk
> in my back yard for the bees.  they don't bother anyone.  I just go
> about my work and don't pay any attention to them any more, however my
> youngest granddaughter is afraid of them.   the ones in my area are big
> fat tubby ones.
> my passion is  hummingbirds     I think they are beautiful  and a joy to
> watch.  I have a feeder hanging just in front of my kitchen window and
> while my husband and I eat our meals  we watch them.  they are such fun.
> 
> Isn't nature grand?    Donna
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:48:47 -0500
> From: "Lynn Lamb" <silverhands@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Vines
> 
> Hi all,
>     Speaking of vines, could anyone tell me how to eradicate English ivey???
> It is very old, growing for perhaps 25 years or more, with very large roots.
> We want to extend our perennial bed into an area that was previously
> naturalized with this English ivy on the ground and up the trees.  I do like
> it, but fear that it will kill or take over anything that we plant in this
> area.
>     Beautiful weekend here in NC...I planted some containers with johnny
> jump-ups and English daisies and worked in my big garden this morning
> cutting down dead foliage and plumping up the soil and mulch.  It felt so
> good to just be able to do something in the garden!
> 
> Best to all,
> Lynn Lamb
> Zone 7b
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> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 15:34:01 PST
> From: "velma alleckson" <vallecks@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: pawpaws, was honey bees
> 
> Hi Robin,
> Thanks for the great URL.  I spent all morning looking at it.
> Velma from Minnesota zone 4
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >I am new to the list so will pretty much lurk for
> >a while.  I did want to tell any of you that are
> >interested in the paw paw that there is discussion
> >group dedicated to this tree at the Better Homes
> >and Gardens web page.  The address is:
> >
> >http://www.bhglive.com/gardening/pawpaw/pawpaw.html
> >
> >Hope this will be of some help....
> >
> >Robin
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:01:18 -0600
> From: "dot" <cd71958@network-one.com>
> Subject: Re: Vines
> 
> hi Lynn was glad to hear someone else has a problem with ivy, i would like
> to know how to get rid of it also,
> And i need some input on vines that will cover an arbor fast .
>                                                dot
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> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:06:11 -0600
> From: "dot" <cd71958@network-one.com>
> Subject: Re: Vines (was Winter Interest)
> 
> Barb, my husband me an arch out of lattice and lanscaping timber, i knew
> what i wanted and how i wanted it made, it is very sturdy and you could make
> it as big or as small as you want, it is very pretty, i just need some good
> vines to cover it
>                                        Dot
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> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 21:16:16 -0800
> From: James & Donna Davis <dsdavis@intop.net>
> Subject: Re: Vines
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Yes,   speaking of vines.  I need suggestions
> My house faces the south,  I have large Oak trees in my front yard,  the
> over hang of my house is 3 ft.  therefore I don't get any sun on the
> front wall and I have 2 - 8 X 4 pieces of Lattice hanging on the wall
> .... I have tried several vines,  but had no luck.   all of the vines
> that I know of need full sun
> does anyone have any suggestions as to what might do well in that
> location.  It gets no sun at all
> Donna
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> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:03:03 -0800
> From: Alicia <abayer@prairie.lakes.com>
> Subject: Re: Vines and arch
> 
> Barb,
> How about constructing one out of collected materials like dried vines,
> twigs, etc.?  There are some books out there now with beautiful plans.  I
> think they're so much more attractive, natural, and special that way too.
> Alicia, zone 4
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> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 22:09:39 -0800
> From: James & Donna Davis <dsdavis@intop.net>
> Subject: Re: Vines and arch
> 
> Alicia
> 
> That is a good idea   "dried vines"   it would be beautiful,   however
> wouldn't you have to have some kind of support for it.  some kind of
> frame work,  but it would be great and look great also.   I'm glad you
> made this suggestions.  I had not thought of it.
> I'm gonna start looking for vines very soon.
> Donna
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