RE: perennials DIGEST V2 #509
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perennials DIGEST Wednesday, July 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number
509
In this issue:
Re: Self-seeded annuals
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Self-seeded annuals
RE: Self-seeded annuals
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Problem pest?
Gardening at night
Re: journals, fragrant flowers etc...
Re: Problem pest?
RE: Gardening at night
Re: Gardening at night
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Gardening at night
Re: Problem pest?
Snapdragons
RE: Gardening at night
Re: Snapdragons
Re: lobelia cardinalis, was Re: Red?
RE: Gardening at night
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Oriental Lilies
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Problem pest?
Re: Problem pest?
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:50:49 -0000
From: "Marie Yacuzzo" <myacuzzo@javanet.com>
Subject: Re: Self-seeded annuals
I just put in some Snapdragons for the first time this year, because a
friend told me that hers self-seed. She lives about 5 miles north of
me.
We both live in Zone 5. I'll be curious to see if mine self-seed.
Marie
Z5
Massachusetts
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Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Self-seeded annuals
>Your Snap-Dragons self seed???? They are one of my, have to have
annuals,
>but I never had them self seed and I would be very happy if they did.
Maybe
>it's my zone. I am in zone 5, what zone are you in? I do deadhead at
first,
>but then I let them go.
>
>
>Deb
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:27:08 EDT
From: LONDE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
That swiss cheese look on you hostas is the work of slugs. They do hide
by
day and feed by night. Beer traps work well for me. The slugs are
attracted
by the smell and then drown in their sorrows. You can just put saucers
of it
out. Check them each morning. They should be full of slugs. Or get
fancy
and bury a small plastic container of beer with holes cut in the lid,
leaving
just the holes uncovered. It is, of course, best to do this BEFORE
your
hostas look like swiss cheese. --Janis
P.S. My son caught me doing this recently and said, "Dad, Mom's getting
the
slugs drunk again!"
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:02:00 -0400
From: "Miller, Devon" <dmiller@kilstock.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
I have heard that although beer traps catch & drown the small slugs, the
bigger slugs are attracted to the beer but don't drown in it -- so you
actually succeed in attracting more slugs than you kill if you use beer
traps. Don't know if that is true, but I do know that I never caught
the really big slugs in my beer traps -- and I know those big slugs are
out there, because I can see them crawling about at night in my
flashlight tours.
I didn't have much luck with copper strips either.
But I don't use bait, and seem to have reached an accommodation with my
slugs. The damage isn't as bad as in years back. Maybe just because my
hostas are larger now. But I wish there was a good non-poisonous
solution. . . .
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From: LONDE@aol.com
To: perennials@mallorn.com
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 1:27PM
That swiss cheese look on you hostas is the work of slugs. They do hide
by
day and feed by night. Beer traps work well for me. The slugs are
attracted
by the smell and then drown in their sorrows. You can just put saucers
of it
out. Check them each morning. They should be full of slugs. Or get
fancy
and bury a small plastic container of beer with holes cut in the lid,
leaving
just the holes uncovered. It is, of course, best to do this BEFORE
your
hostas look like swiss cheese. --Janis
P.S. My son caught me doing this recently and said, "Dad, Mom's getting
the
slugs drunk again!"
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:03:43 -0700
From: "deborde" <deborde@ados.com>
Subject: Re: Self-seeded annuals
I've had the same Snapdragons for more than 3 Yrs. I haven't touched
them since the day I put them in the ground, not even to deadhead.
However, I originally planted a variety of colors and now only have
yellows.
Rachel - Oregon
USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 6
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From: Marie Yacuzzo <myacuzzo@javanet.com>
To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Self-seeded annuals
>I just put in some Snapdragons for the first time this year, because a
>friend told me that hers self-seed. She lives about 5 miles north of
me.
>We both live in Zone 5. I'll be curious to see if mine self-seed.
>
>Marie
>Z5
>Massachusetts
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>To: perennials@mallorn.com <perennials@mallorn.com>
>Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 2:01 PM
>Subject: Re: Self-seeded annuals
>
>
>>Your Snap-Dragons self seed???? They are one of my, have to have
annuals,
>>but I never had them self seed and I would be very happy if they did.
>Maybe
>>it's my zone. I am in zone 5, what zone are you in? I do deadhead at
>first,
>>but then I let them go.
>>
>>
>>Deb
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 11:09:50 -0700
From: "Pesznecker, Sue" <SPesznec@lhs.org>
Subject: RE: Self-seeded annuals
I'm confused. The snapdragons I got were labeled as perennials??
Sue P.
SPesznec@lhs.org Portland, Oregon
(USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 6)
> I just put in some Snapdragons for the first time this year, because a
> friend told me that hers self-seed. She lives about 5 miles north of
> me.
> We both live in Zone 5. I'll be curious to see if mine self-seed.
>
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Date: 08 Jul 1998 14:20:44 -0400
From: Terri Bateman <tbateman@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
to: perennials@mallorn.com
Sheesh, no one drinks alcohol of any kind in this house. Would apple
juice
work as well???
Terri in Detroit area, Zone 6A
e-mail: tbateman@ford.com
*** Forwarding note from O5ALFGKU--EXTERNAL 07/08/98 14:13 ***
From: O5AQ6DPH--EXTERNAL
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
From: LONDE@aol.com
To: perennials@mallorn.com
That swiss cheese look on you hostas is the work of slugs. They do hide
by
day and feed by night. Beer traps work well for me. The slugs are
attracted
by the smell and then drown in their sorrows. You can just put saucers
of it
out. Check them each morning. They should be full of slugs. Or get
fancy
and bury a small plastic container of beer with holes cut in the lid,
leaving
just the holes uncovered. It is, of course, best to do this BEFORE
your
hostas look like swiss cheese. --Janis
P.S. My son caught me doing this recently and said, "Dad, Mom's getting
the
slugs drunk again!"
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:39:59 EDT
From: LONDE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
In a message dated 98-07-08 14:29:38 EDT, Devon wrote:
<< I have heard that although beer traps catch & drown the small slugs,
the
bigger slugs are attracted to the beer but don't drown in it -- so you
actually succeed in attracting more slugs than you kill if you use beer
traps. <<
Well, they have been working for me for a number of years. I don't see
any
big slugs.
But the damage stops.
>> But I don't use bait, and seem to have reached an accommodation with
my
slugs. The damage isn't as bad as in years back. Maybe just because my
hostas are larger now. <<
Nope. The hosta I use beer traps to protect is 13 years old and huge.
The
slugs love it.
>>But I wish there was a good non-poisonous
solution. . . .<<
I agree. I don't even like using the beer traps. I let nature balance
itself
in my garden and it works pretty well. Except for the slugs on that one
hosta. --Janis
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:42:42 -0700
From: "deborde" <deborde@ados.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
>Sheesh, no one drinks alcohol of any kind in this house. Would apple
juice
>work as well???
>
>Terri in Detroit area, Zone 6A
Hi Terri,
You don't have to drink it, just the slugs do. Just take a half full
bottle
of beer, ( any brand ) bury it up to the neck, and wait until it's full.
I check mine every couple of days. I have such a problem with them
that it's usually aways full. I throw out bottle and all, I don't want
the
nickle deposit enough to clean it out. However, I haven't had much
success catching the big ones either, even if I use a bowl, they just
don't seem to show up. ( Maybe they're AA 'ers :-)
I sure would be interested in a better, non-toxic method.
Rachel - Oregon
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>
>From: O5AQ6DPH--EXTERNAL
>Subject: Re: Problem pest?
>
>From: LONDE@aol.com
>To: perennials@mallorn.com
>
>That swiss cheese look on you hostas is the work of slugs. They do
hide by
>day and feed by night. Beer traps work well for me. The slugs are
attracted
>by the smell and then drown in their sorrows. You can just put saucers
of
it
>out. Check them each morning. They should be full of slugs. Or get
fancy
>and bury a small plastic container of beer with holes cut in the lid,
leaving
>just the holes uncovered. It is, of course, best to do this BEFORE
your
>hostas look like swiss cheese. --Janis
>
>P.S. My son caught me doing this recently and said, "Dad, Mom's
getting
the
>slugs drunk again!"
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:04:25 -0400
From: moorman@teamzeon.com
Subject: Gardening at night
Betty Moorman@ZEON
07/08/98 04:04 PM
You all may think I'm an awful old worry wart but I think it's chancy to
garden after dark. I have read that the pit vipers (which include
copperheads and rattlesnakes, I believe) prefer to hunt after dark
because
the sensory devices in the pits on each side of their heads (hence the
name
'pit vipers') can detect prey more easily than in the daytime.
Something
to do with the ambient temperature being cooler in the night and this
makes
it easier to find warm-blooded prey at night. I guess you could say if
you're using a light to garden by that makes it possible to see where
you're putting your hand but I wouldn't do it for anything.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:21:21 -0400
From: lowery@teamzeon.com
Subject: Re: journals, fragrant flowers etc...
Valerie Lowery@ZEON
07/08/98 04:21 PM
Marilyn,
I keep it in full sun, but I understand that it will tolerate some
shade.
Don't know for sure.
Val in KY
zone 6a
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:28:41 -0400
From: lowery@teamzeon.com
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
Valerie Lowery@ZEON
07/08/98 04:28 PM
For slugs, try diatomaceous earth. Looks like a coarse salt and I got
it
from my local nursery (I used to get it free from a company I worked
for...sigh...). I understand that the little creatures crawl over it
and
it cuts open their soft undersides (hee, hee, hee). It works for me!
You'll have to reapply after a rain, but you have to do that with most
things.
Val in KY
zone 6a
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:36:03 -0700
From: "Pesznecker, Sue" <SPesznec@lhs.org>
Subject: RE: Gardening at night
This is great! The worse thing we Oregonians would have to worry about
at night would be a large mosquito, or maybe the occasional worm-crazed
mole!
(Although, stepping on a 6" banana slug isn't fun......)
Sue P.
SPesznec@lhs.org Portland, Oregon
(USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 6)
> ----------
> From: moorman@teamzeon.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 1998 1:04 PM
> To: perennials@lhs.org
> Subject: Gardening at night
>
>
>
>
>
> Betty Moorman@ZEON
> 07/08/98 04:04 PM
>
> You all may think I'm an awful old worry wart but I think it's chancy
> to
> garden after dark. I have read that the pit vipers (which include
> copperheads and rattlesnakes, I believe) prefer to hunt after dark
> because
> the sensory devices in the pits on each side of their heads (hence the
> name
> 'pit vipers') can detect prey more easily than in the daytime.
> Something
> to do with the ambient temperature being cooler in the night and this
> makes
> it easier to find warm-blooded prey at night. I guess you could say
> if
> you're using a light to garden by that makes it possible to see where
> you're putting your hand but I wouldn't do it for anything.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 13:50:34 -0700
From: "deborde" <deborde@ados.com>
Subject: Re: Gardening at night
Hi Betty,
That is really good advice.
However, in this part of Oregon,
the only snakes I have to worry about
walk on two legs. My dogs and the
Sheriff take care of them.
Rachel - NW, Oregon
>Betty Moorman@ZEON
>07/08/98 04:04 PM
>
>You all may think I'm an awful old worry wart but I think it's chancy
to
>garden after dark. I have read that the pit vipers (which include
>copperheads and rattlesnakes, I believe) prefer to hunt after dark
because
>the sensory devices in the pits on each side of their heads (hence the
name
>'pit vipers') can detect prey more easily than in the daytime.
Something
>to do with the ambient temperature being cooler in the night and this
makes
>it easier to find warm-blooded prey at night. I guess you could say if
>you're using a light to garden by that makes it possible to see where
>you're putting your hand but I wouldn't do it for anything.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:14:33 -0700
From: "deborde" <deborde@ados.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
Val,
This sounds wonderful, but is it toxic to humans?
My, little garden girl, is only 1 year old and still
wants to taste things, that's why I don't want
to use bait.
Rachel
>Valerie Lowery@ZEON
>07/08/98 04:28 PM
>
>For slugs, try diatomaceous earth. Looks like a coarse salt and I got
it
>from my local nursery (I used to get it free from a company I worked
>for...sigh...). I understand that the little creatures crawl over it
and
>it cuts open their soft undersides (hee, hee, hee). It works for me!
>You'll have to reapply after a rain, but you have to do that with most
>things.
>
>Val in KY
>zone 6a
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:20:13 -0700
From: "deborde" <deborde@ados.com>
Subject: Re: Gardening at night
Sue,
I had to laugh....... :-) ....what do you do,
to get rid those huge slugs?
Rachel - Oregon
>This is great! The worse thing we Oregonians would have to worry about
>at night would be a large mosquito, or maybe the occasional worm-crazed
>mole!
>
>(Although, stepping on a 6" banana slug isn't fun......)
>
>Sue P.
>
>SPesznec@lhs.org Portland, Oregon
>(USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 6)
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:18:20 -0500
From: Barb Pernacciaro <bpern@idcnet.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
There was an article in a local newspaper today about the dreaded EARWIG
which has moved into our area 30 years ago and have undergone a massive
population explosion, esp. this year. One of their favorite foods is
apparently hosta--I suspect because hostas grow where the night-feeding
earwigs like to live and hide out during the day: in shady damp
places. Their only saving grace is that they do eat aphids, mites and
other insect's eggs. What amazes me is that they adore eating the
strong-smelling marigold (some of mine are reduced to small chewed up
clumps-flowers and leaves). The article suggested using Diazinon -
crystals or liquid spray outdoors, but I am not too fond of using
harmful-to-everything poisons. I did spray a band around the
foundations, doors and windows of the house, though (I really don't care
to bathe with them). An organic insect pest website suggested putting a
1/2 inch of cooking oil in shallow straight-sided containers to attract
and oil them to death. I tried it and it works, but it is obnoxious to
go around every morning and strain the bodies out of the oil to use
again.
I would also suspect slugs (who like the same conditions) of putting
holes in the hosta. I haven't seen many of these yet, maybe the earwig
competition is too much for them this year.
Earwig horror story: folks out in the country around here are getting
their well-heads and pumps clogged with huge numbers of these guys!
- --
Barb Perna
Southcental WI, Zone 4
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:31:26 -0500
From: Barb Pernacciaro <bpern@idcnet.com>
Subject: Snapdragons
I believe snapdragons are botanically perennials, but since they are
Mediterranean in origin, they are tender in cold winter places and must
be grown there as annuals. My mother-in-law had them in the sheltered
south side of her house in Rockford, IL, and they re-seeded themselves
every year there.
- --
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Southcental WI, Zone 4
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:35:03 -0700
From: halworth@mars.ark.com (Heather Hallworth)
Subject: RE: Gardening at night
>
>
>(Although, stepping on a 6" banana slug isn't fun......)
>
>Sue P.
>
>Especially in your bare feet.
Heather on Vancouver Island
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:42:22 -0400
From: Rosemary Carlson <carlson1@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Snapdragons
The snapdragons I grow on the south side of my house always reseed - and
I'm in zone 6a. However, I've tried them on the east side of my house -
and
they don't reseed. I think, in zone 6a and colder, you have to have them
in
a favorable microclimate for them to reseed.
Rosemary in Lexington, KY
zone 6a
At 04:31 PM 7/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I believe snapdragons are botanically perennials, but since they are
>Mediterranean in origin, they are tender in cold winter places and must
>be grown there as annuals. My mother-in-law had them in the sheltered
>south side of her house in Rockford, IL, and they re-seeded themselves
>every year there.
>--
>Barb Perna
>Southcental WI, Zone 4
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:32:15 EDT
From: Screamn5@aol.com
Subject: Re: lobelia cardinalis, was Re: Red?
I can't say if your plant will bloom the first year because the ones I
have I
bought as plants. I would say probably not. The first year will probably
be
needed for growth.
Be patient, next year you will be rewarded.
Karen Z6 SE MA
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:07:59 -0500
From: "Dorsett" <dorsett@blueriver.net>
Subject: RE: Gardening at night
> >(Although, stepping on a 6" banana slug isn't fun......)
> >
> >Sue P.
> >
> >Especially in your bare feet.
> Heather on Vancouver Island
True. Stepping on two - one for each foot, for glide power, starts
getting
interesting.
(Note: The above thrill effect works best for people who usually wear
shoes
in the size 6 range. It doesn't work if you normally wear size 13
(Adult)
shoes.)
Barb in Southern Indiana Zone 5/6 <dorsett@blueriver.net>
Midwest Gardener http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/430
Suite 101 http://www.suite101.com
Gardening splash page
http://www.suite101.com/userfiles/79/gardening.html
A root is a flower that disdains fame.
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:49:18 EDT
From: NMESMUD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
For slugs try putting a ring of rock salt (not to heavy or you can kill
your
plants) around the Hosta. Ihave heard that it works well but have never
tried
it??
Muddy
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 10:34:13 -0400
From: Marilyn <marimuse@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Oriental Lilies
Thanks to all who have posted thoughts on what may have happened to my
lilies! They certainly are worth trying again.
Marilyn
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:06:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Denise Leonard <dal@equinox.shaysnet.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
I went to deliver some plants to a fellow gardener tonight. She was
hard
at work controlling the over population of slugs in her yard. She would
pick them up with a trowel and put them in a pot. When it was full she
threw the slugs into the street. Passing cars were the cause of their
demise. Quite effective if you live on a busy enough street.
We were wondering how they would taste sauteed in butter and
garlic-perhaps over fetichinni! (Are they edible?)
Denise Leonard
Tanstaafl Farm
Greenfield, MA
dal@shaysnet.com
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 21:01:32 -0500
From: pat-mitchell@juno.com (Pat Mitchell)
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
On Wed, 08 Jul 1998 16:18:20 -0500 Barb Pernacciaro <bpern@idcnet.com>
writes:
>There was an article in a local newspaper today about the dreaded
>EARWIG
I second the earwig vote. My hostas are in dry shade and have holes out
of the center of the leaves. At night, if I am inclined to shake the
plant a bit, the earwigs scurry like mad.
Since the original poster was east of us (in Michigan, where earwigs
have
already arrived), it makes sense.
I have the URL on the earwig article Barb mentioned if anyone is
interested.
http://www.jsonline.com/alive/news/0708ear.stm
Good luck with the nasty little buggers. Not only are they ugly, they
do
A LOT of damage.
Pat
USDA Zone 5 Milwaukee suburb - Wisconsin
Pat-Mitchell@juno.com
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Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 22:52:38 CDT
From: "Nancy Lowe" <nlowe@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Problem pest?
Terri wrote:
>Sheesh, no one drinks alcohol of any kind in this house. Would apple
juice
>work as well???
>
I've read (but can't attest to the accuracy) that its the yeast
fermentation in the beer that attracts them, and that you can substitute
a mixture of water and bakers' yeast. When I tried it, I didn't catch
any slugs, but then, I haven't caught any with beer, either!
Nancy Lowe
Arkansas, zone 7
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