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Re: glyphosate

I have no doubt that 2,4,D has a lymphoma connection, as well as other major
health implications, both mutagenic and teratogenic. The original point had
to do with new evidence that points in the direction of everyone's
favorite... Round Up-not 2,4,D. Judging from the confusion, additional
clarification seems necessary. The component(s) of Round Up in question is
not glyphosate, but some of the inert constituents.

Tim Kiphart

"James C. Trager" wrote:

> Whatever the merits of Laurin Wheeler's point about kudzu may be,
> I believe she is correct that the lymphoma connection is to 2,4 D,
> not to RoundUp. James T.
>
> On 5 Apr 01, at 22:03, Laurin Wheeler wrote:
>
> > I personally don't know if Round Up will control the listed plants,
> > but I personally think that Kudzu is a plant that is to be enjoyed
> > rather than poisoned.  Some people even claim that it is good to eat.
> > It looks too fuzzy to eat.  When I was much younger, I lived near some
> > people that had a pasture on some very steep ground.  It was covered
> > with kudzu.  This seemed to bother them.  They attacked it with fire
> > and to a lesser degree with a tractor.  The hill was so steep that
> > they could only attack the edges of the kudzu with the tractor.  They
> > could run cows on the area.  Sometime around 1960, they discovered
> > chemical herbicides.  The last time I saw the area was in the early
> > 1970's the owners had managed to kill the kudzu.  They had nothing
> > growing on the area, and gullies were developing over the entire
> > pasture.  There was nothing for cow left on the site.
> >
> > I don't understand the the message that seems to be about "sick
> > ecosystems or sick soil."  I am a plant ecologist, but I don't recall
> > hearing how invasive plants are attracted to sick ecosystems or soil.
> > I would be interested in hearing more about the other materials in
> > Roundup and lymphoma.  I thought that 2,4-D was associated with
> > lymphoma. Laurin Wheeler 1635 W. Shadowridge Dr. Fayetteville, AR
> > 72701
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: owner-prairie@mallorn.com [o*@mallorn.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ed and Gale
> >   Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:15 PM
> >   To: prairie group
> >   Subject: glyphosate
> >
> >
> >   We belong to an environmental group and are currently in the middle
> >   of a rather heated debate about invasive exotic plants in natural
> >   areas on
> > public
> >   land and the use of glyphosate to control them. Some folks are
> >   opposed to the use of any chemical in any way and others see the
> >   treat of exotics as
> > so
> >   great that they are willing to use Round Up selectively.
> >
> >   I was wondering if anyone on this group can help with any expertise
> >   or
> > info.
> >   What are the long term effects of glyphosate on plants and soil? Are
> >   there any health risks to humans and animals? What are your thoughts
> >   on using Round Up to control garlic mustard, kudzu, and other
> >   invasives if it's
> > used
> >   selectively and applied by hand?
> >
> >   Thank you for your imput.
> >   Gale Cook
> >   Southern Illinois
> >
> >
>
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