Re: Shape by genetics & pollination? (Just thinking out loud)

Andy and Gary Burke,
    My grwoing partner is growing the 1092 I recieved from you Andy, and he
loves the plant. I just wanted to kinda compare notew for him with the 2 of
you.. His pumpkins are pale white also, and cant beleive it, cause he has been
grwoing for years, and never seen this "albino " look it gives off. He is coming
on strong after a slow start, reaching the 223 " mark, but getting 10-12 inches
a day still, where I personally am at 237 with my Ciliberto 697, but only
getting 3-5 inches a day now.


andy wolf wrote:

> Here's my thoughts:
>
>         shape is predetermined, BUT incomplete or uneven pollination will
> affect the shape. On my largest, i used only 2 males , and got a lopsided
> pumpkin. I will know more when i carve this year, which may not be long
> because it appears to be
> slowing down.  A strange sight is on my 1092 plant.  The largets pumpkin is
> on the main vine, and is shaped almost exactlylike the 1092, but a creamy
> white color (it's about 170 lbs. now).  The strange thing is that i have had
> 4 other pumpkins on side vines of that plant which were all watermelon
> shaped (long watermelons, not round ones).
>
> Andy Wolf
> Western NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GBPUMPKIN@aol.com <GBPUMPKIN@aol.com>
> To: pumpkins@mallorn.com <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 08, 1999 8:04 AM
> Subject: Shape by genetics & pollination? (Just thinking out loud)
>
> >Shape by genetics & pollination?
> >
> >Just thinking out loud.
> >
> >On my 602 I have two completely different shaped Pumpkins.  One is high and
> >rounded but the back near the shoulders is narrowed and it is on the main
> >vine.  This was pollinated by hand using the male flower as a brush.  I
> >believe the narrowing is caused buy incomplete pollination near the bottom
> of
> >the flower.  This Pumpkin had good rapid growth during peak growing
> >conditions but an uneven shape.
> >
> >The second Pumpkin is on a strong side vine.   Its shape is long and full
> >without any deformities.  It was pollinated entirely by Bees.   Does not
> >react to changing conditions as other Pumpkins.  Just keeps plodding along
> >and I suspect may not mature and slow down too much until it is much
> larger.
> >(I hope).
> >
> >Questions/assumptions:
> >
> >I'm assuming that the shape and ultimate size are controlled by genetics
> and
> >pollination (pattern of pollination in the flower).  This could account for
> >some people getting a great Pumpkin from a particular seed and another
> person
> >gets an average Pumpkin.  It could mean that we have discounted a
> particular
> >seed for poor performance thinking it was genetic and it was a pollination
> >problem.  When you think of this it seems obvious to me but I haven't
> thought
> >about it much before or seen Emails on the subject.
> >
> >Hand pollination: Using a male flower for pollination, could that damage
> the
> >flower?  Should and I'm sure some do, use a soft brush?  It may give better
> >results especially at the back part of the flower.  Less chance of damaging
> >the pollination tubes?  Do they make special brushes for pollination?
> >
> >Pollination and blowouts: Could some blowouts be caused by irregular growth
> >because of pollination?  The plant feeds the Pumpkin to provide pulp in
> >proportion to the seed count.  If there is an uneven seed pattern will this
> >cause uneven growth and stress the walls of the Pumpkin?  Will you get
> steady
> >long lasting growth when the food is distributed to a large even seed
> cavity?
> >
> >
> >Doesn't this get any easier?
> >
> >Next year I'm going to try a brush, if anyone knows of a good type of brush
> >please let me know.  Any comments on any my thoughts would be appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
> >George Brooks
> >
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