Re: Cross Results...Example this year....837 Thorson 99

Dave, I would agree with your comments on the genetic question. It still 
surprises me on how many different options a AG can have and does throw out 
on the same seed. Will we ever see the ultimate seed in terms of 100% 
orange, or 100% tall, etc, on a consistant basis? I believe not. What we can 
do is research our seed choices and look at their history of fruit it's 
produced. Pick certain traits that are favorable to us, and hope for the 
best. With info now available for most seeds, one can see, and for most part 
predict if a green or orange fruit will come out by looking at past 
performance. Now granted there's always one that throws a loop into the 
equation, but it's the best we can do. Looking at the parents of the 837. I 
haven't seen any squash from the 690 sproule side, think I saw one from 563 
geert side. One would think the 837 would have been green free. Could there 
be a rogue gene created from the cross(like a chemical reaction in a way)? I 
have no background in gentics and don't really care to, but just me ranting. 
All I know is that I enjoy the hobby and if it comes green or orange and is 
Big, I'm happy. Happy Holidays Everyone. Pumpkinpiper


>From: DBHASKARAN@aol.com
>Reply-To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>Subject: Re: Cross Results...Example this year....837 Thorson 99
>Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 00:40:06 EST
>
>Howdy group!
>Just to make sure we are all on the same page....
>My discussion was on how hard it is to try to get the genetics of
>these AGs to only be big and orange and shaped high on both ends.
>I was just using the 837 Thorson 99 as an example....I could have used my 
>401
>Bhaskaran 99 which was very orange but someone who grew one got nothing but
>white!   These genetics "quarks" have no reflection on the grower.
>Steve Thorson is a SUPER grower from Northern MN, who has been very
>helpful to me and the AG community.
>Wishing everyone a great holiday.
>David Bhaskaran
>Rochester, MN  (Southern MN ;-)
>
>
>In a message dated 12/18/00 8:53:24 PM Central Standard Time,
>mairx@faro.ens.uabc.mx writes:
>
><< Frank, David, Steve: I lost my 837, absolutely green.
>  M Ibarra
>
>  At 09:26 AM 12/18/00 -0600, you wrote:
>  >I also grew a Thorson 837, and had 2 beautifully shaped orange pumpkins 
>(one
>  >500.0, the other 560 UOW), with absolutely no green.  I had 6 or 8 
>pumpkins
>  >that were pollinated, and they all looked bright yellow before culling, 
>with
>  >no hints of green.
>  >
>  >Frank Peregrine
>  >
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: <DBHASKARAN@aol.com>
>  >To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>  >Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 10:40 PM
>  >Subject: Re: Cross Results...Example this year....837 Thorson 99
>  >
>  >
>  >> Howdy!
>  >> I would agree it is very tough on the genetics issue.
>  >> I know 3 people who grew 837 Thorson 99 seed this year....all 4 
>pumpkins
>  >> looked
>  >> different (added mine):
>  >> Mine: 100% Green...beautifully shaped.
>  >> Brandt: (From my seed package from Steve) Orange but had a Huge 
>blossem
>  >end
>  >> on ALL pumpkins on this plant...which made the pumpkins "butt ugly".
>  >> Heyne: Orange but with lots of green on the top areas.
>  >> Buntrock: Did well in Iowa, but was more of a squash than pumpkin...
>  >> So there you have it....4 different results from 4 seeds from the SAME
>  >> pumpkin...
>  >>
>  >> My guess is that people who grow the 656 Bhaskaran 00 (760 Patrick 
>99(f) x
>  >> 815 checkon 98(m)) will not be assured of a nice orange pumpkin as I 
>got
>  >from
>  >> the 760 Patrick seed. (801.5 x self).  Some might get the nice
>  >> orange...others might get the
>  >> blue I got from the 815.
>  >> One final note: People who grew the 760 Patrick...all seemed to get 
>the
>  >nice
>  >> shape
>  >> and orange color...so maybe the 760 is "pure" ;-).
>  >>
>  >> Pictures are still on my web page:
>  >> http://members.aol.com/dbhaskaran/pumpkin00/
>  >>
>  >> Good Discussion.
>  >> David Bhaskaran
>  >> Rochester, MN
>  >>
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