RE: green


Bravo Beth...I couldn't agree more.  I'm sure there are many growers who
would agree with you.  These are anyone who has grown a true squash and
anyone who has had a huge pumpkin "disqualified" from the big prize money by
the judges totally opinion based decisions (I'm sorry, even the grid system
is way too unscientific and influenced by biases.)  The ones who would
disagree are anyone who has not been affected by this ruling or has been
moved up a space because the pumpkin before them was ruled a squash.

Anyone who disagrees, before you reply, go through the AGGC and look at
squash pictures and tell me how many OBVIOUS pumpkins you see!

-Gus

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Beth Rado [r*@hotmail.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, February 20, 2003 11:53 AM
To:	pumpkins@hort.net
Subject:	Re: green

Ive tried to stay out of the green/orange debate, and personally, I dont 
care a lot which way weighoff sites choose to judge color.

But from a genetic perspective, I think its clear that there are two 
different greens.  One case is a fruit with orange skin which gets greenish 
over time, though often part of the surface area stays orange or yellow.  
One year I had a fruit covered with two small blankets  one dark, dark 
blue, the other white.  The side under the dark blanket was smooth and 
orange.  There was a sharp, straight dividing line which corresponded 
exactly to the edge of the dark blanket, then the side under the white 
blanket had more cantalouping, and even the smoother parts of the skin 
turned quite green.

This past year I had the pleasure of growing my first true squash.  It was a

beauty.  From the beginning it was green, green, green.   By the end of the 
season, it too had some cantalouping and roughness on the skin.  But the 
base color of this fruit was unquestionably beautiful blue-green.   No 
orange anywhere.

My belief is that the base orange fruits with greening toward maturity are 
greatly influenced, if not completely controlled by environment.  Is there a

genetic component to the schizoid two-color fruits?  Perhaps.  But the true 
blue-green squash is clearly genetic, and would be much easier to identify 
genetically and grow intentionally.  One could not always trust a squash 
ruling for making crosses, however.  It would be necessary to confirm that 
the base color of a fruit being considered for a cross was truly blue-green 
and that it wasnt a late crossover.

Beth


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