Re: Overlooked seeds?

andrew : I think the 862 VanIderstine if you can keep it together, mine stem split at 420 lbs
& the 751 VanIderstine are two sleepers. Reg Noonan grew both this year, 862 planted too late
& 751 pumpkin , I thought he should go with but he choose the 762 Smith again re measurments
& was again beaten by two smaller pumpkins. I believe it would have been a different story had
he faith in a heavy weighing line. May not have beat Peter but sure as hell would have trimmed
Elayne. These two havn't had their day yet. The breeding is there, only the grower is missing.
    That's the opion from here.          Bill Van



At 08:17 PM 1/23/01 , you wrote:
>Let's keep this topic going. Another sleeper is the 991 hunt. I had a
>pumpkin on the 991 hunt this year, I pollinated on the 25th of june and was
>an estimated 700 pounds when it cracked on the first of august.Very fast
>growing plant that was the third pumpkin on the main 14 ft out. But had a
>very large blossom scar and that's were it split. The walls were 14 inches
>thick in the middle and thicker at the stem but only two inches right in the
>middle of the blossom scar. My mother also grew one from the 991 hunt. She
>pollinated on July 7th and after mine split she didn't fertilize very much
>maybe twice in the last two months and still manage to grow a 879.8 (tarp
>weight included) or 876 without. I will be planting this one this year.
>
>andrew
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Papez" <apapez@home.com>
>To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 6:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Overlooked seeds?
>
>
>> Chris
>>
>> Another overlooked seed I think that has huge potential is the 678
>> Ciliberto. Saw the results in D. Haegans patch and her pumpkin matured in
>> mid August and sat there losing weight for a month and a half. Still
>weighed
>> 946 pounds.
>>
>> andrew
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michalec, Chris" <cmicha@chmc.org>
>> To: <pumpkins@mallorn.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: Overlooked seeds?
>>
>>
>> > Hi John,
>> >   Great topic for this time of year.  There are so many seeds out there
>> that
>> > look as if they have never been tried as you review them in the AGGC.
>> > (Thanks Mike, Al, and all their helpers.)  There are probably of number
>of
>> > seeds with great potential that haven't been given a fair shake.  So
>many
>> of
>> > us look to see what has produced for others before we make our choices.
>A
>> > number of seeds that probably would be great may only show a few
>mid-sized
>> > offspring because they haven't been planted by the heavy hitters and
>given
>> > the best chance to maximize their potential, and were grown by beginners
>> or
>> > folks who are still trying to get the hang of this.  Others never get
>> > planted at all as people wait for someone else to prove that the
>potential
>> > is there.  I can think of two that haven't been mentioned that probably
>> have
>> > good potential.
>> >   The 812 LaRue 97 Produced the 758.5 and 815.5 Baird a couple years
>ago,
>> > and either hasn't been planted since or it's offspring haven't made it
>> into
>> > the database or to a weighoff.  The other is the 871 Richart 97 that
>Jake
>> > VanKooten in B.C.has done so well with, growing a 764 in 98 and a 942
>with
>> > it last year.  Those are the only two offspring from that pumpkin that
>are
>> > noted in the database.  Seeing Jake's 942 last year made a believer out
>of
>> > me and I will be planting the one 871 seed I have this spring.
>> >   I think a lot of potential exists in many of these untried and under
>> > utilized seed lines.  I just wish I had the time and space to give more
>of
>> > them a chance.  You don't need to spend a lot of money chasing this
>years
>> > darlings to grow your best yet.  Most of us have probably already
>acquired
>> > the seeds we need to do that.  You just have to give them a chance, it
>may
>> > even come from one from your own patch.
>> >
>> > Chris Michalec
>> > Covington, WA
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: John Failor [SMTP:buckeye5@bright.net]
>> > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 12:44 AM
>> > > To: pumpkins@mallorn.com
>> > > Subject: Overlooked seeds?
>> > >
>> > > Hello to all,
>> > >
>> > >     Recently I was browsing through the AGCC database and I was struck
>> by
>> > > just how many seeds are there and I wonder how many of them have
>really
>> > > gotten a fair shake. With all those seeds there is way to give them
>all
>> a
>> > > real shot and it is a better bet to plant proven seeds. After
>all,seeds
>> > > are a crape shot as it is but still I have to wonder if there isn't a
>> > > juggernaut hiding in there somewhere just waiting to be discovered and
>> > > take off.   After all the top seeds are hard to come by  and maybe we
>> will
>> > > find the next top seed.
>> > >
>> > >     I would like to get the group's feedback on this subject and maybe
>> > > some seeds they think are undiscovered monsters.
>> > >
>> > > Here are some that I think might be:
>> > >
>> > > Brock 685
>> > > Wray 738
>> > > Welty 809
>> > > Sproule 952
>> > > McCallum 566
>> > > and first generation 825 Shymanski offspring. (The 801 Stelts can't be
>> the
>> > > only one with such stellar genetics).
>> > >
>> > >     Then again I could be wrong but look at the example of the 903
>> > > Holland. It was grown in 97 and after its first year no one grew a
>huge
>> > > pumpkin with it  and people lost interest but this year out of  no
>where
>> > > Joel Holland grew a 808, 967 and 1026 with it. I bet it will get more
>> > > attention this year!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts?
>> > >
>> > > John
>> > >
>> >
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Thanks,
Bill Van Iderstine
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 862 lbs.
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