Hit the send key too fast.....

Ooops!
Sorry that I sent this out to everyone.  It was intended only for
Andrew Papez.
(Andrew.....if you weren't famous before well now you are...lol!)
Please don't slam me too hard.
I'm just a lowly pumpkin grower trying to win first place in germany
and organize the new Germany Giant Pumpkin Growers Association.
Best regards to all that are out there and hoping for the big
one this year!  I still have 16 seeds to give away from my 513.7
from the 845 Bobier  x self.  
Michel

Michel White wrote:

>WOW!
>I never expected you to share those tips with me!
>
>I also grew my second largest in about 10 inches of soil over pavement 
>at home
>this year in a garden only 10 ft. x 14 ft.  It was no great 
>accomplishment really
>at 454 lbs. from the 805Pukos but all of the neighbors were really 
>impressed.
>I've added another foot of soil to it.
>
>I agree with you about trying new things and will be trying some new 
>training
>systems this year as well as using less fertilizer.  My 513 this year 
>was pretty
>well burned to the ground from too much fertilizer but that patch is now 
>three
>years old and has lots of manure, compost and potting soil in it.  A few 
>growers
>have told me that they only fertilized a few time in the whole year and 
>that it
>did wonders once the soil was good enough.
>
>I'm fortunate that I had plenty of time in the past two years to prepare 
>10 patches
>with my garden tiller, manure and compost.
>We get compost free here and I have my own rabbits and chickens and trade
>my home-made wine and halloween pumpkins for horse and pig manure from
>other farmers.  ( I have three main patches and the others are for 
>experimentation
>and male pollinators only.)  Now you know why I'm looking for more seeds
>since I already have a few good ones.
>
>I'm going to stockpile the leaves, compost and manure from now on and 
>only add
>it to the patches to cover the vines as needed so I can get an accurate 
>soil test.
>
>Thanks for the info and ideas!
>Michel
>
>Andrew Papez wrote:
>
>>Michel,
>>
>>I don't have a diary on line yet. I may do one in 2003. I have one of the
>>videos but if you have the books there just as good. I find the best way to
>>learn is to experiment with one plant and keep very detailed notes. I
>>discovered that in 2000 that you don't need a big plant and I started
>>growing in 400 sq ft and since tthere has been a lot of growers growing
>>smaller plants. I proud of the fact that I started this and everyone
>>followed. Also I tryed potting soil in 2001 and found that I had my best
>>results with that. I fertilize very heavy and this year I will experiment on
>>one plant and use very little fertilizer since thats what Bruce Whittier, Al
>>Eaton, Jim Kuhn and Rock Rivard do and their results have been fantastic. To
>>stand still and try nothing new in this sport will not result in bigger
>>pumpkins for yourself. Everyones climate is different and you must find out
>>what works for you, it won't work for everyone. This is part of the fun and
>>challenge of growing these critters. The books were my bible for the first
>>two years and are a great starting point but if you want to increase your
>>weights every year you must try different things.
>>
>>Everyone told me it was impossible to grow a 1000 pounder in my backyard
>>because I was in clay and very limited space but since then I have grown 3
>>1000 pounders and grew a 1056.5 Dueck next door also in 350 sq ft.
>>
>>Next year I will not be growing the 846 Calai again because I feel I cannot
>>get any bigger then 1000 pounds with that seed. I have 4 of them but will
>>try something different. A lot of growers think I am crazy but for me I want
>>to try to grow a bigger one. Since I am limited to two plants, I cannot use
>>one space for a seed that will produce a 1000 pounder, I am after a 1100 or
>>1200 pounder. I will try the 845 and the 790 Daletas. Tim Baileys 1245 was
>>grown in 400 sq ft with the same climate as mine, so I know its possible and
>>will give it a try next year. If I fail then the following year I will plant
>>a 846 and something different.
>>
>>I guess what I am trying to say is "to move forward you have to try
>>something different". I've rambled on enough I hope this helps and best of
>>luck this upcoming season.
>>
>>drew
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Michel White" <michel@bunchgrapes.com>
>>To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: Gift Certificates for P & P Seed Co/ Christmas
>>
>>
>>>Andrew,
>>>I just read from Ed ZAYCHKOWSKY that he will be seeing you and others in
>>>March at
>>>Niagara Falls.  I would have loved to attend there but it's too much
>>>this year and I'll
>>>be working.
>>>I sent Ed some of my seeds this year and that's why he was emailing me.
>>>
>>>Do you have a growers diary online anywhere or at bigpumpkins.com?
>>>I'm just looking for more tips and info than can be found in Don
>>>Langevin's books.
>>>Do you have the Joel Holland video(s)? and are they worth it?
>>>Best regards!
>>>Michel
>>>
>>>Andrew Papez wrote:
>>>
>>>>Michel,
>>>>
>>>>Me famous, I know your compliment is sincere but I am hardly famous.
>>>>
>>There
>>
>>>>were 33 other pumpkins bigger then mine this year. I'm not even a heavy
>>>>hitter, but I like swapping seeds. If you could my son collects coins and
>>>>was wondering instead of postage if you could send a Euro Dollar coin. I
>>>>don't know if any of my seeds are any good but I could send you a few
>>>>
>>from
>>
>>>>each if you like. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
>>>>
>>>>drew
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Michel White" <michel@bunchgrapes.com>
>>>>To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 11:34 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Gift Certificates for P & P Seed Co/ Christmas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mr. Papez,
>>>>>I'm a grower in Germany who got some seeds last year from Ray Waterman
>>>>>and wanted to ask if you might have just one seed to send me that has
>>>>>
>>good
>>
>>>>>potential.  We have a hard time getting seeds here in Germany and I want
>>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>do better than my 513 lb. pumpkin next year and hopefully win first
>>>>>
>>place
>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>Germany or even Europe.  I had the 4th place Germany pumpkin this year
>>>>>
>>but
>>
>>>>>made a lot of mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I know you are very famous so I don't expect a reply but I would gladly
>>>>>
>>>>send
>>>>
>>>>>you some of my 513 seeds from the 845 Bobier 00 x self and some of my
>>>>>
>>>>giant
>>>>
>>>>>sunflower seeds and a few bucks for shipping if you would help me.
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>Michel White
>>>>>
>>>>>Andrew Papez wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>lol good one ray.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Glenn,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll run everything by you before I got to print.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray Waterman
>>>>>>>P & P Seed Co
>>>>>>><A HREF="http://www.pandpseed.com/";>P & P Seed Co. ~ Giant Pumpkins
>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>Seeds</A>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: <LGOURD@aol.com>
>>>>>>To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:59 PM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: Gift Certificates for P & P Seed Co/ Christmas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a message dated 12/12/02 10:24:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>hwoodmn@ida.net writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>.  And a few more goodies including the exact 723 seed #2 by Bill
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bobier!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Exact 723 seed #2 by Bobier??????? Boy...what a potentially
>>>>>>>>
>>>>misleading
>>>>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>likely confusing choice of words that was....a similar cross? The
>>>>>>>>remaining
>>>>>>>>seeds from his 723lb pumpkin of 1999? Or some  same cross pumpkin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>>confuse the standard naming process with for marketing purposes? We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>cant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>wait
>>>>>>>>to see what you have and look forward to the opportunities you
>>>>>>>>offer...but
>>>>>>>>please  dont confuse the naming structures already in place for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>marketing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>purposes.(am I alone on this? please...this topic only)....I look
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>forward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>your offer with an open mind.......Glenn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Glenn,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll run everything by you before I got to print.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ray Waterman
>>>>>>>P & P Seed Co
>>>>>>><A HREF="http://www.pandpseed.com/";>P & P Seed Co. ~ Giant Pumpkins
>>>>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>>Seeds</A>
>>>>>>
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