Re: 1262 Emmons x 1260 Weir
I agree with Mike. Seed genetics can only do so much if the enviroment is
not there. My weights keep going up as my soil improves. And to have three
pumpkins over 1000 pounds from two different growers with 6 different seeds
its not just the seed anymore.I think it has more to do with enviromental
factors.
andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike and Vickie Brock" <vbrock@mcn.org>
To: <pumpkins@hort.net>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: 1262 Emmons x 1260 Weir
> Recently have been working with some growers that are stuck in the mind
set
> that all they need is better genetics. They grow 150-200lbs year after
> year. I told them if you only change the seed not much is going to change
> if you do nothing else.
>
>
> Seems at different levels we all are looking for the magic seed. The hot
> genetics. Sure some seeds in a batch have more vigor. But in reality its
> the grower that makes the genetics get hot. The more a seed is played out
> with top growers the hotter it looks. I keep finding these nagging hints
> that a seed is only as good as its environment. The better we as growers
> improve our skills and environment above ground and below ground the
better
> our genetics work. Climate plays a huge role.
>
> If we look at our hottest genetics in the past there seems to be 10-15% of
> of a given seed batch that is dynamo. And generally it is dynamo because
> the core group of great growers took the time to plant it. As time goes
on
> and the more good growers join the HH core group the better the
genetics
> of a given seed will look if they all plant it. It probably will appear
> more consistent reliable . So have the seeds gotten better?? I would bet
if
> you took the top 30 growers and did their 5 year average.........then gave
> them all the same seed to plant... that the progeny would parallel their
> average.
>
> For years have been chasing some of the top genetics in the world and
> planted them 935,946,1006, on and on and they all end up in the 650 range.
> In a given season. As my soil gets better so have the weights...or the
> genetics?? Take what we saw this year Geneva got lucky and lined up the
> silver bullets? Ever notice that lately most the HH have a knack at
finding
> silver bullets.
>
> If the fruit is a phenotype product of its environment includes grower)
then
> what weight do we put on genetics and weight??
>
>
> Just some nagging thoughts......MB
>
>
>
>
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