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- Subject: Re: Who wants to run the Pumpkin mailing list?
- From: L*@aol.com
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:41:48 -0500 (EST)
Duncan: Boy, running a mailing list sure does sound like a lot of fun. I am thinking I would really like to do that. Trouble is, I would need a back-up person who would, of course, do all the work. I need someone who would do it for no pay. Should I advertise for this person? If so, where? Oh, and might you be interested in the position? Besides getting no pay you would also get no recognition. Think about it. Don't decide too quickly. Let me know in a day or so. It is so cold here that my dog doesn't want to go out. Marv in Altoona PA
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- Subject: Re: Water control technology
- From: "* <c*@general.co.za>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:12:28 +0200
Gardena manufactures a humidity sensor that, in conjunction with a computer box that sit's on your tap, regulates the water traffic.
dunno 'bout the temp. problem tho.
the humidity sensor is placed in the soil and thus triggers the water controller.
The Gardena water computer also can B programmed to operate at certain times.
Programmable up 2 16 cycles - depending on season.
Hope Gardena is available in the States or where-ever.
:-)
Cix
**SMILE**
PLUR
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> From: Mark Martinek <Always@home.com>
> To: Dan Shapiro <dgs@leland.stanford.edu>; Pumpkin Central <pumpkins@athenet.net>
> Subject: Re: technology
> Date: 12 November 1997 08:49
>
> Hi Dan,
> I have been pondering the same problem myself for a while. Please let
> me know what you find out.
> The only ideas that I have come up with are
> 1. locate an electronics whiz and make up a simple logic circuit
> that is tied in with an electronic thermometer and run it through some
> signal amplifiers to turn on and off the electronic valves at the
> poroper temperatures. The problem with this is that it is expensive and
> comlicated.
> 2. For my 7th grade science project I made a fire detecter. It
> consisted of a bell, a 6 volt lantern battery and a metal thermometer
> with a speedometer type needle. the way it worked was to drill a hole in
> the back of the thermometer at whatever temperature you wanted the alarm
> to go off at. then stuck a bare wire through at that point. that wire
> was then hooked up to the bell, the bell was hooked up to the battery
> and the battery was grounded to the base of the thermometer. When the
> needle reached the proper temperature the circuit was completed and the
> bell sounded. If no better ideas come up this is what I am going to try
> for my misters. I am going to set my automatic timers to come on in the
> morning and off in the evening but run the sprinkler wire through the
> thermometer so that they will only activate when the temperature is high
> enough.
>
> Wish me luck.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Dan Shapiro wrote:
> >
> > Here is a watering technology question:
> >
> > I'd like to set up a misting system for next year that automatically kicks
> > in in response to temperature in the patch. Right now I am limited to your
> > regular 4 cycle a day timers. Does anyone know what products are available
> > for this job?
> >
> > Dan Shapiro
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- Subject: Water Conservation
- From: J* S* <J*@STDC.govt.nz>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:37:45 +1300
Hi De Hi good neighbours. One of my jobs here at work is the provision of water conservation techniques. We have conntingency plans etc for when water schemes fall over but are working on a public awareness theme. Do any of you have any material which could be usefull that is put out by your State, County or whatever? I know this is not strictly a pumpkin issue but I know that we are kindred spirits in global ecology and so I am asking your good selves Cheers John S. Have a 'Parky' day!
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- Subject: Re: Turnip Jack-o-Lanters-reply
- From: "* C* <m*@neo.lrun.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:35:59 -0500
Dear Barb: Thanks for exlpaining the turnip / rutabaga similarities. I don't want to sound like I just fell off the. . .ah da. . . turnip truck, but I've little experience in the maters of turnips and rutabagas. I'm real interested in the Irish connection thing. I do note they are both from the same genus like cabbages, califlower, broccoli, etc. but the seed book I looked them up in says they are from completely different species. Rutabaga = Brassica napus (Napobrssica Group) - sometimes called a Swede Turnip, same species as Siberian Kale and Rape Turnip = Brassica rapa (Rapifera Group) same species as chinese cabbage and broccoli raab - forage turnips, which can get as large as the largest rutabagas, according to the Seed Savers Exchange are rapidly becoming extinct and are in desperate need of help for their preservation. Most important - rutabagas and turnips won't cross with each other so they are very different species. But from what you say it sounds like they must look almost identical. And, I really like the idea of the green grey and bumpy hubbard squash carved like a witch's face. Bet Martha Stewart would like that idea to claim as her own, he he he. Thanks again Barb, stuff from agricultural books can sometimes miss the real human side of home gardening and kitchen smarts. Michael mcohill@neo.lrun.com ---------- > From: COMPUTRESE@aol.com > To: mcohill@neo.lrun.com > Subject: Re: Turnip Jack-o-Lanters-reply > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:57 AM > > Michael: > > I think there is a matter of semantics regarding the word turnip. > > Turnip to most gardeners describes a small, 2-3 inch diameter root vegetable > that is white on top and a lovely purple on the bottom. They are usually sold > in bunches, like beets are. > > The larger vegetable, perhaps of carving size, is known to most as a > rutabaga. They are also root vegetables, but tan on top, with a brownish > purple bottom. Often grown in Northern Tier states and Canada, they are waxed > and shipped to market for sale individually. > > Many people have come to know rutabagas as turnips. I was raised in upstate > NY, and Mom called them turnips. I suppose it's like calling all tissues > Kleenex. > > I believe there are large enough rutabagas to be carved into jack o'lanterns. > I would imagine the process would be somewhat difficult, given the hard, > dense nature of their flesh. > > I would much rather carve a large squash, like a hubbard. The bumpy skin and > grayish-green color would make a lovely and appropriate witch's face. > > Just my 2 cents. > > Barb
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- Subject: Re: Turnip Jack-o-Lanters
- From: "* /* C* <m*@olywa.net>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:51:40 -0800
Michael, Martha Stewart carved a few turnip lanterns on her show about 3 weeks ago.She hung them from tree limbs along her front walkway on Halloween night. (or so she said) Shellie -----Original Message----- From: Michael Cohill <mcohill@neo.lrun.com> To: pumpkins@athenet.net <pumpkins@athenet.net> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 5:16 AM Subject: Turnip Jack-o-Lanters >Through this e-mail group I found links to Halloween sites which told >stories of the Jack-O-Lanter's origins. Stories tell how the Irish used >turnips for lanters. When the Irish came to N. America they exchanged their >turnip lanterns to pumpkin lanterns. > >Has anyone ever carved a turnip lantern - or know of one who has? > >It seems to me that most store bought turnips would make miserably small >lanterns. Even home/garden grown turnips would be real small. However, >turnips used to be grown as livestock fodder and these turnips were huge >compared to their table variety cousins. Today, few if any grow turnips >for thier livestock. Perhaps the turnips grown for fodder where the ones >used for lanterns by the Irish instead of the table varieties. > >A check of the "Garden Seed Inventory" shows only 29 different varieties of >turnips are sold today by North American seed companies. This compares to >64 varieties offered in 1981. And, none of the presently available >varieties seem to be the large fodder type turnips. > >The 1997 Seed Savers Exchange Yearbook lists an additional 30 varieties of >turnips of which a number are fodder varieties sometimes called "cow >rutabagas." Some are said to grow to basketball size. Now that's big >enough to make a cool Jack-o-lantern > >I know some on this list grow other vegies besides pumpkins. Might any be >growing one of these huge turnips? If anyone on this list be interesting >in growing one of these vanishing varieties of large Jack-O-Lantern-type >turnips please e-mail me. > >Michael >mcohill@neo.lrun.com
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- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:09:53 -0500
Through this e-mail group I found links to Halloween sites which told stories of the Jack-O-Lanter's origins. Stories tell how the Irish used turnips for lanters. When the Irish came to N. America they exchanged their turnip lanterns to pumpkin lanterns. Has anyone ever carved a turnip lantern - or know of one who has? It seems to me that most store bought turnips would make miserably small lanterns. Even home/garden grown turnips would be real small. However, turnips used to be grown as livestock fodder and these turnips were huge compared to their table variety cousins. Today, few if any grow turnips for thier livestock. Perhaps the turnips grown for fodder where the ones used for lanterns by the Irish instead of the table varieties. A check of the "Garden Seed Inventory" shows only 29 different varieties of turnips are sold today by North American seed companies. This compares to 64 varieties offered in 1981. And, none of the presently available varieties seem to be the large fodder type turnips. The 1997 Seed Savers Exchange Yearbook lists an additional 30 varieties of turnips of which a number are fodder varieties sometimes called "cow rutabagas." Some are said to grow to basketball size. Now that's big enough to make a cool Jack-o-lantern I know some on this list grow other vegies besides pumpkins. Might any be growing one of these huge turnips? If anyone on this list be interesting in growing one of these vanishing varieties of large Jack-O-Lantern-type turnips please e-mail me. Michael mcohill@neo.lrun.com
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- Subject: Thanks George Brooks
- From: J* S* <J*@STDC.govt.nz>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:46:41 +1300
Thanks a million George. The poster turned up today all safe and sound. It is noe resplendid on the wall by Ottawa's Byward Market Poster. You will get one of ours as soon as they are produced for the weigh off in April. Many thanks again. John. Have a 'Parky' day!
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- Subject: Re: technology
- From: M* M* <A*@home.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:49:50 -0800
- References: <v03102808b08d2cbbc307@[36.173.0.85]>
Hi Dan, I have been pondering the same problem myself for a while. Please let me know what you find out. The only ideas that I have come up with are 1. locate an electronics whiz and make up a simple logic circuit that is tied in with an electronic thermometer and run it through some signal amplifiers to turn on and off the electronic valves at the poroper temperatures. The problem with this is that it is expensive and comlicated. 2. For my 7th grade science project I made a fire detecter. It consisted of a bell, a 6 volt lantern battery and a metal thermometer with a speedometer type needle. the way it worked was to drill a hole in the back of the thermometer at whatever temperature you wanted the alarm to go off at. then stuck a bare wire through at that point. that wire was then hooked up to the bell, the bell was hooked up to the battery and the battery was grounded to the base of the thermometer. When the needle reached the proper temperature the circuit was completed and the bell sounded. If no better ideas come up this is what I am going to try for my misters. I am going to set my automatic timers to come on in the morning and off in the evening but run the sprinkler wire through the thermometer so that they will only activate when the temperature is high enough. Wish me luck. Mark Dan Shapiro wrote: > > Here is a watering technology question: > > I'd like to set up a misting system for next year that automatically kicks > in in response to temperature in the patch. Right now I am limited to your > regular 4 cycle a day timers. Does anyone know what products are available > for this job? > > Dan Shapiro
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- To: Vickie Brock <b*@pacific.net>
- Subject: Re: Soil test results
- From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:13:16 -0800
- References: <v01530500b08df542b5da@[199.4.80.44]>
I'll give this one a try. By the way, the following applies to nutrition, too. A good example of this "bonded absorption inhibiting" is the calcium phosphorus ratio. In order to be properly utilized, they must be in the proper form, & they must be in the proper proportion. If you drink caffeine too close to a meal, your calcium will not be absorbed. The caffeine acts as a blocker & interferes chemically with the absorption of the calcium. I would be more worried about your zinc levels, because they might also interfere with other minerals, especially calcium & phosphorus. It is also important of know what forms your phosphorus, calcium, zinc, etc. are in. Some are absorbable; others will lock or bond in the soil & will do your plants no good at all. I'm afraid my field is more nutrition & genetics, rather than soil, so I'm not as much help as I would like to be. I would really suggest you check with your soil conservation district office. They could probably explain it much better. Also call the lab that did the soil tests. They are usually glad to help you understand the explanation & the "whys?" TerryLynn
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- Subject: Re: Pumpkin thefts
- From: M* M* <A*@home.com>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:00:58 -0800
- References: <3468B977.BAA62CBF@rica.net>
I second the motion > As soon as you appoint me as pumpkin witch,
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- Subject: Pumpkin thefts
- From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:00:55 -0800
As I am sure all of you know, there is a serious problem nation-wide with pumpkin thievery. Local, state & federal authorities appear stumped. This past Halloween, only 2 thefts were successfully? solved, & the perpetrators got off scott free in 1 case. In order to prevent the spread of terror among pumpkin growers everywhere; something must be done. In addition to whatever steps are taken on a personal level, something must be done to cover failures that result in successful thefts. The efforts by law enforcement authorities have not met with much success & have had no success in deterring further pumpkin thefts. I believe that something further must be undertaken. We need our own enforcement officer, to track down the dastards & punish them effectively. A sort of super hero of the pumpkin patch. Therefore, I shall put aside my finer instincts & leap into the breech. It's a dirty job but someone has to do it; so I shall sacrifice my own needs for the sake of pumpkin fanatics everywhere. & yes, I realize I will be lifting terror from the hearts of pumpkin growers everywhere & that you will never forget me for this sacrifice. I volunteer for the position of pumpkin witch: that caped crusader (on a broom) who will track down & punish all pumpkin thieves, turning them into a pool of rotted pumpkin slime. As soon as you appoint me as pumpkin witch, I shall immediately send away for a mail-order short course in witchcraft (slime spells a specialty), some orange robes, a jet-powered broom (one must be up to date; & you do want rapid response, don't you?) & a phone booth. The booth will do double duty, as both communications & changing room. See how frugal I am? I heard that, Marv!!!: What do you mean, I probably have my own broom already?!!!!!!!!! Yours truly, The prospective Pumpkin Witch TerryLynn
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- Subject: Pumpkin Screen Saver
- From: "* D* G* <D*@PSS.Boeing.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:40:39 -0800
http://www.id4movie.com/nonshock/htmls/disk-screenwin2.html
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- Subject: Pumpkin Banditry
- From: T* L* <t*@rica.net>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:08:06 -0800
Regarding the serious problem of Pumpkin Banditry........ There is much discussion regarding personal alarm systems. While I, as your duly appointed Pumpkin Witch (many thanks for all those votes of confidence; Fear not, I will not fail you). will be available to help locate & thwart the perpetraters os such an outrage (as pumpkin theft); the best plan is still to either deter the theft from happening at all; or to stop the theft in progress. We need to plan now & make our precautions for next year. Realizing that many of you are at a loss as to where to start in your frantic attempts to protect your prodigous produce, I, OF COURSE, have a few ideas I am willing to share with you. In addition to private alarm systems, I recommend one or more of the following. 1. Use a bait pumpkin to draw them away from your other pumpkins. A. coat the pumpkin with something really sticky, so that when they try to pick it up, they won't be able to put it down. Think how easy it will be to find 2-3 guys staggering around with a pumpkin they can't let go of. Adding a coating of skunk scent is always a nice touch. 2. place rat traps around the pumpkin, under the vines (so they can't see them untill its too late)(always buy these under an assumed name...then you can claim some neighborhood kid must have been pulling a prank & you won't be held responsible) 3. rig it if you can so that as the pumpkin is lifted a really loud march is played that can be heard to the end of the block, & at the same time, your floodlights should go on. (a flashing strobe light would also do nicely) At this point, the garden sprinkler should go on, spraying them with tar, ink or whatever, even a sugar solution will work (corn syrup or molasses are also good). The exploding ballons (filled with a light powder or flour) should be released, now. So now you have: your pumpkin bandits, jumping around, holding a pumpkin they can't get rid of; covered with tar & white powder, smelling like a skunk, with rat traps on their feet, under the spotlight, with music playing to wake the dead. RESULTS: You catch your thieves. The neighborhood is rolling on the ground in hysterics (they may think you're crazy; but they admire the heck out of you). The cops are laughing so hard they can barely arrest the guys, & I guarantee pumpkin crime will stop in your neighborhood. The only problem I don't have licked is how do you get the hand cuffs on them, over the pumpkin. How do you get them in the patrol car?...You don't; they call for the paddy wagon. Yours truly, Your Own Pumpkin Witch , TerryLynn
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- To: "Hickman, Tony" <s*@rgh.sa.gov.au>
- Subject: Re: poem
- From: "* /* C* <m*@olywa.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:58:40 -0800
I applause you again Tony. I have enjoyed all your poems. However this one is extra special. You and Jack should put a book together and have a mix of poems and short stories. Come on Jack, you still have another book in ya!!! Sally -----Original Message----- From: Hickman, Tony <shickam@rgh.sa.gov.au> To: DANIEL GARDNER <PUMPKINS@ATHENET.NET> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:45 PM Subject: poem A ( PUMPKIN) GROUP EFFORT EACH SUMMER AROUND THE WORLD THERE IS A GREAT RACE TO GROW THE BIGGEST PUMPKIN AT A FAST AND SCARY PACE ONLY ONE PERSON CAN WIN THEN LIVE THEIR LIFE IN BLISS THIS YEAR IN CALIFORNIA IT WAS OUR FRIEND CHRIS WAS IT THE SEED GIVEN TO HIM BUY GENEROUS GRANNY PAT OR WAS IT ALL THE T L C THAT MADE THE PUMPKIN FAT OR WAS IT SOME SPECIAL TECHNIQUE THAT HE TOLD US BUT WE MISSED THANKS TO DUNCAN AND TO DAN WE CAN CHECK THE ARCHIVE LIST MAYBE PUMKINGUY TOLD HIM THINGS THAT HE NEVER TOLD TO US BUT I DOUBT THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE HE' S SOMEONE WE CAN TRUST OR MAYBE A TIP FROM A PUMPKIN BOOK LIKE THE ONE BY MR BRECKENRIDGE I DON T BELIEVE THAT, NOT AT ALL IT WAS FICTION NOT RIDGEY DIDGE IF I TRIED TO GUESS OF JUST ONE THING I KNOW THAT I' D BE WRONG IT WAS ALL OF US, YES YOU AND ME THAT HELPED THIS MAN ALONG SO IT DOESN' T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE IT' S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME SO PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK AND SHARE IN CHRIS S FAME
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- Subject: poem
- From: "* T* <s*@rgh.sa.gov.au>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:57:00 -0800 (PST)
- Encoding: 42 TEXT
A ( PUMPKIN) GROUP EFFORT EACH SUMMER AROUND THE WORLD THERE IS A GREAT RACE TO GROW THE BIGGEST PUMPKIN AT A FAST AND SCARY PACE ONLY ONE PERSON CAN WIN THEN LIVE THEIR LIFE IN BLISS THIS YEAR IN CALIFORNIA IT WAS OUR FRIEND CHRIS WAS IT THE SEED GIVEN TO HIM BUY GENEROUS GRANNY PAT OR WAS IT ALL THE T L C THAT MADE THE PUMPKIN FAT OR WAS IT SOME SPECIAL TECHNIQUE THAT HE TOLD US BUT WE MISSED THANKS TO DUNCAN AND TO DAN WE CAN CHECK THE ARCHIVE LIST MAYBE PUMKINGUY TOLD HIM THINGS THAT HE NEVER TOLD TO US BUT I DOUBT THAT VERY MUCH BECAUSE HE' S SOMEONE WE CAN TRUST OR MAYBE A TIP FROM A PUMPKIN BOOK LIKE THE ONE BY MR BRECKENRIDGE I DON T BELIEVE THAT, NOT AT ALL IT WAS FICTION NOT RIDGEY DIDGE IF I TRIED TO GUESS OF JUST ONE THING I KNOW THAT I' D BE WRONG IT WAS ALL OF US, YES YOU AND ME THAT HELPED THIS MAN ALONG SO IT DOESN' T MATTER IF YOU WIN OR LOSE IT' S HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME SO PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK AND SHARE IN CHRIS S FAME
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- Subject: phytophthora root rot
- From: "* H* <m*@midwest.net>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:55:30 -0600
Many thanks to Ron, John, Terry Lynn and anyone else I may have missed re: the information on Phyto. I don't think I'll go to the trouble and expense of fumigating my soil. I'll probably just let the area go fallow for a number of years, or at least grow cover crops and till in leaves, other organic matter and maybe try soil solarization. Would appreciate any information others may have on fungicide resistant, spore forming fugi. Thanks again, Charles Tribout
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- Subject: Do you have a homepage?
- From: "* D* G* <D*@PSS.Boeing.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 05:45:43 -0800
Here is a good link to see how your page is doing. My ISP won't support counters on single pages but this url provides great stats about your page. My Clipart page is the most active. http://www.hitbox.com/wc/world.html
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- Subject: ACT Update
- From: "* D* <s*@pcug.org.au>
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:10:43 +1100
G'day all,I finally took the plunge and thinned the plants to one vine per plot. The vines are growing well with the leader now extending to two feet, it will soon be time to start burying it, first I have to get to drop to the ground instead of sticking up in the air. One vine is heading south west and the other north east.Stewart ACT
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- Subject: Re: 977 Seeds - Out of Stock!
- From: b*@juno.com (timothy a clark)
- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:57:14 -0800
- References: <01bcef09$2bfee340$5a0115d1@chris-andersen>
Sounds like it might be a good idea. I'll check out the web page for subscription info. By the way your seeds are in the mail. Thanks again, Tim Clark Redlands, CA
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