[SpaceAgeRobin] Re: Space Age Genetics

There have been SA plants from non SA parents and it's clear that SA is not a recessive gene. So its either a partial dominant or a multiple gene controlled factor.

The genes for SA have been around for a long time. I posted some info several weeks ago re appendages on pallida seedlings from ancient times( close to 100 years  ago). Thus genes have been floating around for some time and may be present in many cultivars but never have accumulated enough dosages to show in a seedling. The genes didn't start with Austin. He just worked on getting the appendages, probably from  cumulating multiple dosages of SA genes. Thus genes can be present but not show anything in family tree as they came from an ancient, even species origin. 

Chuck Chapman

oneofcultivars@aol.com wrote:

>In a message dated 4/23/2005 8:20:27 AM Central Daylight Time,
>neilm@charter.net writes:
>
>
>> I doubt the pedigree of THORNBIRD supports the proposition that it is SSSS,
>> four-plex dominant SA.
>
>I have one seedling blooming from a LEMON CHESS X THORNBIRD cross.   It
>expresses smooth horns on each of the falls. I suspect LC has no space age irises
>in its background.
>
>So, if my suspicion that LC has no spaceagers in its background is correct,
>how can SA horn expression be from more than a single dominent gene?
>
>And, if I successfully cross THORNBIRD back to (LEMON CHESS x THORNBIRD) and
>a higher level of SA expression results in the progeny than in the SA parent
>would this not strongly infer a dosage effect? Or for that matter, were (LEMON
>CHESS x THORNBIRD) crossed back to any other SA iris and the resultant progeny
>had higher level expression than either of the SA parents would that not also
>strongly infer a dosage effect?
>Smiles,
>Bill Burleson
>
>LEMON CHESS
>(Walter Moores, R. 1995). Sdlg. 88-17. TB, 36" (91 cm), ML.
>Ruffled creamy light yellow self; beards golden; slight sweet fragrance.
>Silent Screen X Catalyst. Moores 1996
>SILENT SCREEN
>(W. Moores, R. 1988). Sdlg. 83-16. TB, 34" (86 cm), L.
>" S. blue white, deepening at base; F. pale blue white; pale blue to pale
>yellow beard; ruffled; pronounced sweet fragrance. Portrait of Larrie X
>Winterscape. Moores 1989."
>PORTRAIT OF LARRIE
>(L. Gaulter, R. 1977). Sdlg. 75-568. TB, 36" (91 cm), M.
>Lightly ruffled medium blue with lighter area on haft; blue beard tipped
>white. Sapphire Hills X Millrace. Cooleyıs Gardens 1979.
>WINTERSCAPE
>(J. McWhirter, R. 1984). Sdlg. J77-28-1. TB, 38" (97 cm), M.
>Heavily ruffled white with hint of blue; white beard tipped light blue;
>slight sweet fragrance. Light Fantastic X Carriage Trade. Cottage Gardens 1985.
>LIGHT FANTASTIC
>(O. Brown, R. `68). 4-13B1. TB, 38", M,, WlC.
>" S ivory, pale blue influence in heart; ruffled; F ivory, green tints;
>extremely fluted; beard light yellow, pale blue tip. Winter Olympics X M-58-1
>((Melissa x (Poet's Dream x Beth Corey)). HC `67, HM `69, JC `69. Brown's Sunnyhill
>Gardens `68."
>MELISSA
>?????????
>POET'S DREAM
>????????
> BETH COREY
>????????
>CARRIAGE TRADE
>(L. Gaulter, R. 1975). Sdlg. 73-65. TB, 38" (97 cm), M.
>White self with blue influence; white beard. Mill Race X Bosky Dell. Cooleyıs
>1977.
>MILL RACE
>??????????
>BOSKY DELL
>(L. Gaulter, R. 1974). Sdlg. 70-55. TB, 40" (102 cm), M.
>Cool white self; white beard. Cup Race X High Sierra. Cooleyıs Gardens 1975.
>CUP RACE
>(Buttrick, R. '62). 58-16. TB, 36", M-L.,
>"Pure white self; white tipped beard. Bluebird Blue x South Pacific) X
>Concord Town. HM '66, AM '69, Franklin Cook Memorial Cup '68. Fairmount '63."
>HIGH SIERRA
>?????????????
>BLUEBIRD BLUE
>?????????????
>SOUTH PACIFIC
>????????????
>CONCORD TOWN
>????????????
>WINTER OLYMPICS
>(O. Brown, R `61). 9-5A7. TB, 37", E-M, WlW.
>"White self; white beard. Poet's Dream X Eleanor's Pride. HC `61, HM '64, AM
>'66, JC '64, '65, Clara Rees Cup '66, Dykes Medal '67, Nelson Award '69.
>Brown's Sunnyhill Gardens '63."
>ELEANOR'S PRIDE
>????????
>CATALYST
>(K. Keppel, R. 1979). Sdlg. 75-83A. TB, 35" (89 cm), M.
>"S. sunflower (M&P 9-L-4) touched with golden glow (9-L-6) at base; F.
>darker, velvety yellow; yellow-orange beard. Generosity X 72-5B: ((((Frances Kent x
>Mary Randall) x (60-183-Q: Sexton 60 x Golden Gene)) x (Denver Mint x
>60-183-0)) x (Radiant Light x (((Golden Gleam x Hallmark) x (Sexton 60: Gail x Techny
>Chimes)) x 60-183A))). Keppel 1980."
>FRANCIS KENT
>??????????
>MARY RANDALL
>??????????
>SEXTON 60
>??????????
>GOLDEN GENE
>(Quadros, R. '61). 56-300. TB, 34", M,, OY1D.
>Deep orange-yellow self. Orange Frills X Gold Torch. Tell '62.
>DENVER MINT
>(M. Knopf, R. '62). 61-74-E. TB, 36", M-L, Y1.
>"Dresden yellow self. Sib to Mission Trails X Glittering Amber. EC '62, HC
>'62, HM '65, JC '65, '66, AM '67. Knopf '63."
>MISSION TRAILS
>??????????
>GLITTERING AMBER
>???????????
>RADIANT LIGHT
>(Fay, R. '63). 62-7. 'TB, 33", M,, 1
>"Orange self; bright coral beard. Chinese Coral X Prairie Blaze. HC '64, HM
>'66, JC '67, '68. Moldovan '65."
>CHINESE CORAL
>?????????
>PRARIE BLAZE
>?????????
>ORANGE FRILLS
>??????????
>GOLD TORCH
>??????????
>TECHNEY CHIMES
>??????????
>GENEROSITY
>(K. Keppel, R. 1978). Sdlg. 72-25A. TB, 36" (91 cm), EM.
>"S. cream (M&P 9-B-1); F. same with deeper cream (9-D-1) wash, lemon (9-L-2)
>haft; cream to lemon beard, 68-39D: (((Irma Melrose x Tea Apron) x ((Full
>Circle x Rococo) x Tea Apron)) x April Melody) X White Lightning. Keppel 1979."
>IRMA MELROSE
>??????????
>TEA APRON
>(El Dorado, R `60). 77-59D. TB, 34", M,, W2.
>"S white, hairline blue edge; F white, blue crest, shoulders; white beard. HC
>`60, HM '63, JC `62, '63, AM '64. El Dorado `61."
>FULL CIRCLE
>?????????????
>ROCOCO
>???????????
>APRIL MELODY
>(Gibson, R. `65). 37-lPFA. TB, 36", ML, V2F.
>"Lavender-pink ground, deeper lavender plicata markings; tangerine beard.
>75-9PF X 66-9PF. HC `65, HM `68. Cooley `67."
>WHITE LIGHTNING
>(J. Gatty, R. 1973). Sdlg. B37-1. TB, 35" (89 cm), E.
>White with uniform fine veining pattern of golden glow (M&P 9-L-6) on hafts;
>bright cadmium yellow beard. Launching Pad X New Moon. Keppel 1974.
>LAUNCHING PAD
>(M. Knopf, R. `66). 65-16. TB, 36", M, Y4Wcm.
>" S sulphur lemon; F white rimmed sulphur lemon. Valimar X Denver Mint. HM
>`68. Knopf, Tell `67."
>VALAMAR
>???????????
>NEW MOON
>(N. Sexton, R. `68). 131-62. TB, 36", M, Y1F.
>"Lemon yellow self; lemon beard. Moon River X New Frontier. HC `66, JC `69,
>HM `69. Sexton `68."
>MOON RIVER
>(Sexton, R. `62). 58-64. TB, 36", M, Y1.
>"Antique gold self. Mixed Emotions X Limelight. HC `61, HM `64, JC `64, `65,
>AM `66. Sexton `63."
>MIXED EMOTIONS
>????????????
>LIMELIGHT
>??????????????
>NEW FRONTIER
>(G. Sexton, R. `60). NO 56-58. TB, 40", M, 01P.
>Nude self; pink beard. (51-52 x N62-58) X June's Sister. HM `63. Sexton `62
>JUNE'S SISTER
>???????????????
>

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