Re: Alocaisa gageana

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Okay, the axillary aspect makes far more sense, and fits with what I have growing and what I have seen in SE Asia.

 

I will see what I can find out for you on the beetles . . .

 

Christopher

 

 

 

The Alocasia account for the Flora of Thailand will be in press by year end and should be published sometime first quarter 2010. There is a precursor paper: A review of Alocasia (Araceae: Colocasieae) for Thailand including a novel species and new species’ records from S.W. Thailand. Thai For. Bull. (Bot.) 36: 1 – 17 (2008) but unfortunately I have no reprints as yet.

 

 

I should have said that the ‘pair’ of inflorescences is an average; the important thing is actually the displacement, giving the inflorescence modules an leaf-axillary appearance.

 

Thanks for the offer of assistance with our freshwater crustacean queries; what we really need at the moment is a coleopteran taxonomist to help us with naming the beetles that we are trying to identify!

 

Very best

 

Peter

 

 

From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers

Sent: 12 August 2009 01:58

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Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana

 

Fascinating!

 

Thanks, Peter! So, obviously I had a few things confused. I am glad to know you are working on the group, and I hope that I can get a reprint when you publish.

 

You said that these plants send up a pair of inflorescences. My A. odora and my A. macrorrhizos have sent up single inflorescences, paired and sometimes three inflorescences. Am I seeing something different, or could this be ecophenotypic variation?

 

I really enjoy the genus Alocasia, and I do want to learn all I can about the taxonomy. I appreciate your help, and if you ever need any help with freshwater crustacean taxonomy, let me know. I be happy to return the favor!

 

Thanks for the help!

Christopher

 

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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce

Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:53 PM

To: 'Discussion of aroids'

Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana

 

Hi Christopher,

 

These trans-Himalayan large-leaved Alocasia are taxonomic beasts! I’ve

recently tackled the northern Thai species and this is the current status

for those that I investigated.

 

What you describe as gageana is almost certainly odora; also it is very

likely that gageana is a syn. of odora BUT the type (of gageana) is missing

(presumed desctroyed) from Berlin and Engler’s description is too incomplete

to pin the name.

 

What you have as odora (yellow spathe) is definitely A. navicularis. 

 

Alocasia macrorrhizos is almost certainly OK, but spathe colour is very

variable, from white, pinkish, purplish, and ‘yellow’ (actually somewhat

cream).

 

All of these species produce pairs of inflorescences arising in the leaf

axil (actually terminal on a branching module and then displaced by a new

leaf and thus appearing axillary.

 

Other names for the transhimalaya in this ‘macrorrhizos/odora’ complex are:

 

 

Alocasia cadieri Chantrier, Rev. Hort. 26: 326 (1939)

Alocasia cochinchensis, Pierre ex Engl. & K.Krause Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 103

(1920)

Alocasia decipiens Schott, Bonplandia (Hannover) 7: 28 (1859)

Alocasia decumbens Buchet, Bull. Mus. Natl. Hist. Nat., II, 11: 417 (1939)

Alocasia evrardii Gagnep., Fl. Indo-Chine 6: 1150  (1942)

Alocasia fallax Schott, Bonplandia (Hannover) 7: 28 (1859)

Alocasia fornicata (Roxb.) Schott, Oesterr. Bot. Wochenbl. 4: 410 (1854)

Alocasia grandis Clemenc., Rev. Hort. 1868: 380 (1868)

Alocasia grata Prain ex Engl. & Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 93 (1920)

Alocasia hainanensis K.Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 91 (1920)

Alocasia hainanica N.E.Br., J. Linn. Soc., Bot. 36: 183 (1903)

Alocasia lecomtei Engl., Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 90 (1920)

Alocasia liervalii Hérincq, Hort. Franc.: 243 (1869)

Alocasia longifolia Engl. & K.Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 103 (1920)

Alocasia montana (Roxb.) Schott, Oesterr. Bot. Wochenbl. 4: 410 (1854) -

almost certainly the correct name for A. hynosa

Alocasia putii Gagnep., Fl. Indo-Chine 6: 1150 (1942)

Alocasia tonkinensis Engl., Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 91 (1920)

 

A LOT to do!

 

 

Alocasia robusta produces clusters of up to 20 inflorescences in the

‘middle’ of the plant, with the entire cluster then ‘pierced’ by the newly

emerging leaf, and is not part of the above complex, being closest to A.

puber, A. sarawakensis, etc.

 

Cheers

 

Peter

 

From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]

On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers

Sent: 10 August 2009 03:40

To: Discussion of aroids

Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana

 

Howdy, Pete!

 

I thought I had a handle on the large green, entire leaf margin Alocasia. My

understanding was that A. gageana had a green erect spathe, leaf sinus

reaching petiole; A. odora has a yellow erect spathe, and; A. macrorhiza had

a reflexed yellow spathe, with the leaf sinus not reaching the petiole. I am

not sure how A. robusta is separated out. So, I am surprised to hear that A.

gageana is a nomen dubium. Can you help me out on separating these beasts?

 

Cheers,

Christopher

 

D. Christopher Rogers

Invertebrate Ecologist

 

Telephone: 530.383.4798

 

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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com on behalf of Peter Boyce

Sent: Sat 08-Aug-09 6:58 PM

To: 'Discussion of aroids'

Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana

Hi Barbara

 

This will be almost certainly Alocasia macrorrhizos in one of its numerous

colour forms. Alocasia gageana was described from northern Burma and is an

nom. dub.

 

Peter

 

From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]

On Behalf Of Barbara

Sent: 07 August 2009 05:28

To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com

Subject: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana

 

I purchased a plant labeled as Alocasia gageana aurea variegata but think I

read somewhere that aurea is not the proper name. I did a search on the

Aroidean but did not find the correct name. I am a novice but would like to

make sure the names are correct. I would appreciate any help.

Barbara

 

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