Re: [Aroid-l] "minature" M. deliciosa??

 Dear all,
 
I you sendings a photograph of Rhaphidophora tetrasperma which I made this morning at  the botanical garden of Nancy.
In 2000, I went to Munich with David Scherberich and we met Josef Bogner.  He  gave me a cutting of  this Monstera.  He said that it was a dwarf form of Monstera deliciosa. In fact, it is about Rhaphidophora tetrasperma. This plant is splendid and I think that it deserves to be marketed.
Cordially,
 
Geneviève Ferry
Jardin botanique de Nancy
France 
----- Original Message -----
From: b*@malesiana.com
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] "minature" M. deliciosa??

Dear Julius and All
 
In the 90s while working on Rhaphidophora I investigated the so-called miniature form of M. deliciosa in cultivation in Europe (and as named in Birdsey's Cultivated Aroids as 'Dwarf Ceriman') and these plants were without exception Rhaphidophora tetrasperma from Peninsular Malaysia and southern Thailand.
 
At the time Josef had a large one flowering in Munich and it was from here that I obtained inflorescences to confirm the generic Id. Material from this clone was later used by one of my students Tam Shey May for molecular work on the Monstereae and embedded in the Rhaphidophora clade as sister to R. nicolsonii from Pen. Malaysia while M. deliciosa (one of she outgroups) remained clustered with Stenopsermation and a Rhodospatha. Thus morphologically (ovules/seeds) and on molecular (trn-l/trn-f) the European 'Dwarf'Deliciosa'is a Rhaphidophora.
 
Peter
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 5:42 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] "minature" M. deliciosa??

> Dear All,
>
> A question--what is the status of the existence of a true 'minature' clone
> of Monstera deliciosa, and what, it it does exist, are the measurements of a
> MATURE leaf of this mimature?????
> I THINK I remember a discussion on this back when we exchanged ideas about
> the non-existence of the 'red-varigated' clone of the same species which, I
> believe, turned out to be a photo-shopped/modified picture of the
> white-varigated variety of this species.
> I THINK I recall someone saying that the common and BIG clone of this was a
> selection from the wild, and if one went back to the area where this plant
> occured in Coastal Mexico, one would have difficulty in finding such a large
> clone, most wild plants of this species were substantially smaller that the
> big one we see everywhere in cultivation  Worldwide.
> Any information would be welcome!
>
> Good Growing!
>
> Julius
>
>
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