Re: Chaos in Monstera names

**b* l* <l*@yahoo.com>**

Dear Tom and Pete,

Aloha.  

I do not want to create more chaos here,but, via my wife's email, I will send you photos of a Monstera? that superficially looks like M. deliciosa, but has blades only a third the size.  The photos are of a clump many years old and there are three or so roots per node.  I have never seen this in bloom...but, I'll keep an eye open for them now.  I have some sort of default on my server, so could you post these photos on Aroid-l.  My hand is holding a leaf and from fingertip to palm is about 6 inches.

Aloha,

Leland

--- On Mon, 6/30/08, Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat@mobot.org> wrote:

> From: Tom Croat <Thomas.Croat@mobot.org>
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names
> To: "Discussion of aroids" <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
> Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:14 AM
> Dear Pete:
> 
>  
> 
>             I thought so and am glad that I was not just
> passing on nonsense.  I am glad that I was remembering
> correctly.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom
> 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter
> Boyce
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:16 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names
> 
>  
> 
> Hi Marek, Tom, etc.
> 
> Sorry I did pick up on the Monstera thread a bit earlier.
> Tom is correct, M. pertusa is a Rhaphidophora (R. pertusa).
> 
> Rhaphidophora pertusa (Roxb.) Schott, Prodr. Syst. Aroid.:
> 382. 1860; Hook.f., Fl. Brit. India 6: 546. 1893. - Pothos
> pertusus Roxb., Fl. Ind. 1: 455. 1820. - Monstera pertusa
> (Roxb.) Schott, Wiener Z. Kunst 4: 1028. 1830. - Scindapsus
> pertusus (Roxb.) Schott in H.W.Schott & S.L.Endlicher,
> Melet. Bot.: 21. 1832. - Rhaphidophora lacera Hassk., Flora
> 25(2 Beibl.): 11. 1842, nom. illeg.
>  
>             Very large, very  robust, pachycaul,
> heterophyllous liane to 15 m or more. Stem robustly terete,
> 3-5 cm diam., Leaves dense along most of the stem except the
> oldest portion. Petiole shallowly canaliculate, 15-30 cm,
> pulvini indistinct; petiolar sheath extending 2/3 along the
> petiole, margins soon marcescent; lamina (juvenile)  rotund,
> entire, apex abrupt acute, 13 ´ 11 cm;  (adult)
> oblong-ovate, ovate in outline, 20-50 ´ 15-25 cm,
> irregularly and asymmetrically pinnately cut with the
> incisions c. ½ way to the mid-rib and sometimes occurring
> as ovate, apex acute, base subcordate,  pinnae 2-5 per
> side. Inflorescence solitary on tips of free lateral
> shoots. Peduncle cylindric, very robust,15-18 ´ 1.5-2 cm.
> Spathe oblong-ovate, cymbiform, ca. 18 ´ 8 cm, spreading
> at anthesis, thence falling, yellowish to somewhat pinkish
> tinged; spadix cylindric, ca. 10-12 ´ 2-3 cm, base
> oblique, sessile, yellow. Fruit hexagonal-obconical, 18 ´
> 5 mm, green-white stylar region sloughing to reveal white
> or yellow pulp cavity.
>   
>             Distribution. - Sri Lanka, S. India through
> N.E. Himalaya to Bangladesh, Burma and N. Thailand 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Pete
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Tom Croat 
> To: Discussion of aroids 
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names
> 
> 
> Marek:
>             Monstera friedrichsthalii is a synonym of A.
> adansonii but M. pertusa is not even a Monstera as I recall
> but rather a Rhapidophora (Pete is this not correct?). M.
> karwinskyi is a synonym of M. acuminate, not the other way
> around.  M. obliqua has lots of synonyms.  Madison lists 7
> including M. expilata Schott but I intend to resurrect the
> latter. 
>  
> Tom  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek
> Argent
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:13 PM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Chaos in Monstera names
>  
> Hello,
>  
> Can anyone authoritatively tell if:
>  
> M. friedrichsthalii = M. adansonii = M. pertusa
>  
> M. acuminata = M. karwinskyi
>  
> M. obliqua has no synonyms
>  
> Best
> Marek
> 
> 
> 
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