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Re: Anthurium watermaliense Hort. ex L.H. Bailey & Nash

  • Subject: Re: Anthurium watermaliense Hort. ex L.H. Bailey & Nash
  • From: ExoticRainforest <Steve@ExoticRainforest.com>
  • Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:37:34 -0600

Thanks both to Jay and Marek for the responses! 

I too had found the appearance of Anthurium watermaliense on TROPICOS and two of the Kew's sites as being possibly a species' name but not on IPNI where it just doesn't appear  On TROPICOS it does appear in italics on the first page but after that if you check the extra pages such as specimens and distribution it is not italicized and appears to be a horticultural name rather than a species name.  One of the first things I plan to ask Tom after his return from Ecuador is his current position on this plant!  I did send a copy of my notes to Simon Mayo at Kew in hopes I might get a better clarification on the official scientific position.  I know some of the good people at Kew do monitor this forum since I've received private mail as a result of several questions I've raised here.  If anyone is reading this one from Kew I'd really like to get a response on the currently accepted position on whether or not Anthurium watermaliense is a horticultural or a species name.

Jay, I am curious how much variation you see in the inflorescence in Central America?

Thanks for the help guys!  We'll be away for a few days spending time with our kids and grandkids but I'll respond to anything on this subject as soon as we get back.

Steve Lucas

Marek Argent wrote:
Hello Steve,
As long as I know the name watermaliense it always seemed strange for me.
All Anthuriums come from the Latin America
The name Watermal sounds English or Dutch
and the ending -iense indicates a name of a geographical origin.
Here I found the explanation:
Another strange thing I found In this page that it is regarded as a species.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:59 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium watermaliense Hort. ex L.H. Bailey & Nash

I need some help from the Anthurium experts on Aroid l.

I have been going through many of the pages on my ExoticRainforest website trying to update pages and make sure the explanations are both scientifically accurate and clear.  I recently got around to Anthurium watermaliense and one of the first things I noticed that I had never realized before was the name!  The name is Anthurium watermaliense Hort. Ex. L.H. Bailey and Nash.    What grabbed my attention this time was the "Hort." and the
"Ex." which indicates a horticultural name that was formerly considered a scientific name.

As a result I went to the International Plant Names Index (IPNI)  http://www.ipni.org/index.html  and found the name Anthurium watermaliense does not exist on that site  So I went again for the third or fourth time and reread Dr. Croat's description in his Annals of the Missouri Botanical Garden 1983, Volume 70, #2.  Dr. Croat explains in that text that the name Anthurium watermaliense was originally a horticultural name (Hort.) and  was published in 1922 by Liberty Hyde Bailey Jr. (1858-1954) in his Cyclopedia of American Horticulture.  It did not appear the name Anthurium watermaliense had ever been officially published to science but only in horticultural literature.

Then I found on a 2005 Aroid l the following post from Dr. Croat, "I have placed this in Section Pachyneurium owing to its involute vernation but it is an unusual member of that group for sure.   I have often wondered if it might not be itself of hybrid origin."   Dr. Croat then continued, "There are about a half dozen of these cordate odd balls, A. standlyi, A. schottii, etc.  Some are quite attractive."   Involute vernation refers to the way the margins (edges) of a new leaf blade are rolled inward on both margins as it begins to emerge from the cataphylls.

Since Dr. Croat is currently in Ecuador until near the end of the third week of December I would love some input from those of you who have often provided accurate information before and are truly Anthurium experts to be certain Anthurium watermaliense is not considered a species. 

You can read what I've learned so far here:



Steve Lucas

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