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A Mutually Benificial Opportunity

  • Subject: [cg] A Mutually Benificial Opportunity
  • From: "Michael S. Witty" mwitty@tampabay.rr.com
  • Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 19:50:38 -0500
  • Thread-index: AcX4RijuS73mPx5WQlmiyoKYtvx1YAAIiGOg


I can understand Ms. Boyle's confusion for I did not notice an
indication of the sender either. It might have been due to the fact I
was blinded by the negativity of the communication. You made clear
that you felt Ms. Boyles main objective was monetary compensation and
that it bothered you but you suggested she reciprocate toward the same
to ACGA. 

As this very same issue came up recently as I, can not afford to "pony
up" the membership fee. Betsy Johnson made it clear to me that the
organization operated on those dues but it was not crucial to
participation. For that I am grateful. So grateful that I am making it
a point make sure to those who participate in the Community Garden
program I am working to build in my community to know of the ACGA, of
their support in our venture and encourage membership. Mostly in
gratitude for the selfishness that this organization has shown to me,
then I see this.

While I do not know what you do for a living, I wonder if you are
aware of the expense involved in advertising and how hard it is to get
free publicity. While Ms. Boyle has not offered to fatten ACGA
coffers, what she is offering has definite value and requires nominal
effort to procure. I have also deduced through my research that a lack
of (Non-participating) public knowledge and support is one of the
greatest obstacles to successful community gardens. This is an
excellent way to overcome this hurdle.

As to the amazing Community Gardening programs in Canada and British
Columbia, I do not see how their being part of an American cable
documentary can or would benefit them. Maybe I am being to narrow
minded here, but if so I am not alone.

Ms. Boyle's intention here, as presented, is to provide mutual
benefit. Maybe that could be how you approach it. As the Community
Gardening program I am involved in is in it's infancy, we most likely
will not be able to take advantage of the wonderfully beneficial
opportunity she is offering, so that may be why I am feel so
frustrated with the negativity of your response. For my part I
apologize but hope I was able to provide you with a more positive
slant on this.

Working Together Toward a Greater Good,
Michael Witty
Pinellas County Community Garden Program Coordinator

-----Original Message-----
From: adam36055@aol.com [mailto:adam36055@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 5:01 PM
To: moboyle1@nyc.rr.com; community_garden@mallorn.com
Cc: keizi@mindspring.com
Subject: [cg] Re: Source of Response? Please clarify

Ms. Boyle, 
This response was written by me.  I'm a rank-and-file, dues paying
member of the ACGA like some of the folks who use this list. If you go
to the American Community Gardening Association website,
http://communitygarden.org , you can read more about the organization.

Official statements by the board of the American Community Gardening
listserv are usually addressed by its interim Executive Director,
Betsy Johnson, or its President Gerard Lordahl. 
Anything I write appears over my signature.  
I think your confusion may have arisen from my rather direct
questioning of the film project coordinator and my blunt suggestion
that they pony up a membership - cheap as it is, which includes a
subscription this cycle to "Organic Gardening,"  to the organization. 
In fact, Ms. Boyle, if you are a community gardener, I would very
strongly suggest that you too should please go to the ACGA website,
read through the various pages and join as well. It is the best way I
know of supporting community gardening in the United States and
Best wishes,
Adam Honigman
Paid-up ACGA member
-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen O'Boyle <moboyle1@nyc.rr.com>
To: Adam36055@aol.com; community_garden@mallorn.com
Cc: keizi@mindspring.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:42:12 -0500
Subject: Source of Response? Please clarify

Was the response below from the American Community Gardening
----- Original Message ----- From: <Adam36055@aol.com>
To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Cc: <keizi@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:43 PM
Subject: [cg] Searching for great organic gardens for TV series - A
Few Questions 
> Dear Paid, or on Spec Film Project Coordinator,
> Friend - This enquiring, long-time (30 years plus) organic community

> gardener has a few questions, and would be quite interested in
> > answers - please - before answering your query.
> This listserv gets lots of offers all the time - so I'm sure that 
> others > on this listserv have the same questions that I have. Your 
> candor alacrity in response to this request for information would be
greatly appreciated.
> Thanking you in advance for your cooperation, Adam Honigman
> For starters: You're getting money and a career credit for this 
> project- > what do you and your producers offer gardens that put up 
> with the inconvenience > of a media crew in their gardens? What's in

> it for gardeners who will have to > do horse-and-pony shows for your
cameras during the height of season?
> First question - Have you joined the American Community Gardening 
> Association? You found this listserv through the website - an 
> individual > membership would show that you are actually interested
> trading wampum for wampum. Or > are you looking for a freebie for
your production company?
> Second question - what are you prepared to offer as an up-front 
> contribution to the American Community Gardening Association for
> > this forum to make money for yourself and your production company,

> as well as the eventual syndication dreams that have to circle your
head like dancing sugarplums?
> Third question - what is your track record? What have you done in 
> media, > who are the people who are working with you? PBS, The
> and other > reputable medial organizations have reached out on this 
> listserve before, and come forward with their bonefides - up front. 
> Who are you, who is your > producer, who are you pitching your
project to?
> Great organic gardens exist all over this country - and gardening 
> really exists without being a televised event - really. What are you

> and your organization willing to provide, up front and in contract
> promote the > American Community Gardening Association and the 
> betterment of community gardens > throughout the United States and 
> Canada -
> Ya see, there are some truly amazing organic gardens in Canada -
> you should be pitching to as well.
>> Subj: [cg] Searching for great organic gardens for TV series
>> Date: 11/30/05 5:50:39 PM Eastern Standard Time
>> From: keizi@mindspring.com
>> To: community_garden@mallorn.com
>> Sent from the Internet
>> Hello gardeners,
>> I've just joined this list serve in an attempt to make contact with

>> one or more among you who might help further the cause of promoting

>> sustainable gardening practices to the American mainstream.
>> I am working with a producer to develop a TV series for cable. The 
>> subject is green design: homes, gardens and communities designed to

>> be sustainable. We have already completed a pilot/promo shot in the

>> Bay Area and are in the last phase of putting our written pitch 
>> together to try to sell it to a cable network. Our goal is to frame

>> things in a way that will reach out to more of a mainstream
>> It's a kind of introduction for many people that have no idea of
>> concept. Rather than a 'how to' it's mainly showcasing the great 
>> things happening now all across the country.
>> We need to present our potential ideas for the series and one of
>> things I'm lacking are some great gardens to showcase. I personally

>> feel passionate about community gardening and certainly want to use
>> few, but I think we need more diversity for this particular series.

>> We need projects that are special and inspiring!
>> So here are the things I'm looking for: 
>> ___ beautiful organic home garden (can be edible, ornamental, 
>> permaculture, biodynamic etc) ___ " roof top garden ( non
>> ___small neighborhood community garden ___urban community garden
>> The regions where we are planning to do the shows are: 
>> 1. The Bay Area
>> 2. Los Angeles
>> 3. Portland, Oregon
>> 4. Santa Fe, Taos area
>> 5. Austin, Texas
>> 6. Denver, Colorado
>> 7. Chicago, IL,
>> 8. Kansas City, MO
>> 9. Atlanta, Georgia
>> 10. Sarasota Florida
>> 11. Charleston, South Carolina region
>> 12. Washington, DC
>> 13. NYC
>> We we are open to anyplace within about 100 miles or so of these 
>> regions. I would be very grateful for any help or even the name of
>> contact person in any of these regions whom I might call. Thanks!
>> Kay Richardson
>> Project Coordinator
>> Design For Life
>> 415-830-0903

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