Re: Re: Source of Response? Please clarify
- Subject: Re: [cg] Re: Source of Response? Please clarify
- From: "Mike McGrath" M*@PTD.net
- Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:38:02 -0500
H.M.S.: I believe I understand where you're coming from, but agree with Adam here. I found his 'strong arming' in this instance to be appropriate and charming. And VERY New York.
"Hey--you want to use our neighborhood to make a movie? Great--how many local people you going to hire to be extras?"
I see nothing wrong with suggesting that people who wish to profit one way or another off the expertise of others make a contribution to a good cause.
Just a RubberNecker, Mike McG
----- Original Message ----- From: <simmonsm@bloomington.in.us>
To: <adam36055@aol.com>
Cc: <moboyle1@nyc.rr.com>; <community_garden@mallorn.com>; <keizi@mindspring.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [cg] Re: Source of Response? Please clarify
Dear Adam and fellow members, While it is true that the ACGA, its list, and its website are invaluable to the promotion of community gardening and deserving of our financial support, it is also true that there is no obligation, stated or implied, for anyone who wants to ask a question on the list to join the ACGA. We should answer those questions we can without strong arming the questioners to pay dues. Obviously we should invite anyone who is interested in the work of the ACGA to join, but we should not make that joining a quid pro quo for engaging in dialog or asking a question through this medium. That sends the wrong message -- one of exclusion rather than of inclusion. In my job with a municipal parks and recreation department, I answer questions every day from people from other cities and even from other states who do not pay taxes to support our department. I and my department consider this service a valid use of my time, because customer service does not stop at our city limits. Any one of the people whose questions I answer may one day be a resident of our city, or there may be an occasion for me to call on one of them for an answer to one of my questions, or our lives may never intersect again. Whatever the case may be, they know that their questions were answered courteously and will have the impression that Bloomington, Indiana is a friendly place to live (which it is). I praise the ACGA for its good work and for its value as a resource at every opportunity. I would like for the people I send to this list for information to see the organization in the positive light in which I have presented it. If we are open and welcoming, those people who share our interests and values will join. Those who do not join will still have a positive impression of the organization which may be of great service down the road. Adam, your advocacy for the ACGA is laudable. I hope that you will continue to invite people to join, but I also hope that those invitations may be couched in less confrontational language. Let's give people a positive impression of one of the most positive organizations of which I am a member (dues paying, of course). H. Michael SimmonsMs. Boyle,
This response was written by me. I'm a rank-and-file, dues paying member
of the ACGA like some of the folks who use this list. If you go to the
American Community Gardening Association website,
http://communitygarden.org , you can read more about the organization.
Official statements by the board of the American Community Gardening
listserv are usually addressed by its interim Executive Director, Betsy
Johnson, or its President Gerard Lordahl.
Anything I write appears over my signature.
I think your confusion may have arisen from my rather direct questioning
of the film project coordinator and my blunt suggestion that they pony up
a membership - cheap as it is, which includes a subscription this cycle to
"Organic Gardening," to the organization.
In fact, Ms. Boyle, if you are a community gardener, I would very strongly
suggest that you too should please go to the ACGA website, read through
the various pages and join as well. It is the best way I know of
supporting community gardening in the United States and Canada,
Best wishes,
Adam Honigman
Paid-up ACGA member
-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen O'Boyle <moboyle1@nyc.rr.com>
To: Adam36055@aol.com; community_garden@mallorn.com
Cc: keizi@mindspring.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:42:12 -0500
Subject: Source of Response? Please clarify
Was the response below from the American Community Gardening
Association?
----- Original Message ----- From: <Adam36055@aol.com>
To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
Cc: <keizi@mindspring.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:43 PM
Subject: [cg] Searching for great organic gardens for TV series - A Few
Questions
Dear Paid, or on Spec Film Project Coordinator, Friend - This enquiring, long-time (30 years plus) organic community gardener has a few questions, and would be quite interested in getting > answers - please - before answering your query. This listserv gets lots of offers all the time - so I'm sure that others > on this listserv have the same questions that I have. Your candor alacrity in response to this request for information would be greatly appreciated. Thanking you in advance for your cooperation, Adam Honigman For starters: You're getting money and a career credit for this project- > what do you and your producers offer gardens that put up with the inconvenience > of a media crew in their gardens? What's in it for gardeners who will have to > do horse-and-pony shows for your cameras during the height of season? First question - Have you joined the American Community Gardening Association? You found this listserv through the website - an individual > membership would show that you are actually interested in trading wampum for wampum. Or > are you looking for a freebie for your production company? Second question - what are you prepared to offer as an up-front contribution to the American Community Gardening Association for using > this forum to make money for yourself and your production company, as well as the eventual syndication dreams that have to circle your head like dancing sugarplums? Third question - what is your track record? What have you done in media, > who are the people who are working with you? PBS, The Rodales and other > reputable medial organizations have reached out on this listserve before, and come forward with their bonefides - up front. Who are you, who is your > producer, who are you pitching your project to? Great organic gardens exist all over this country - and gardening really exists without being a televised event - really. What are you and your organization willing to provide, up front and in contract to promote the > American Community Gardening Association and the betterment of community gardens > throughout the United States and Canada - Ya see, there are some truly amazing organic gardens in Canada - that you should be pitching to as well.Subj: [cg] Searching for great organic gardens for TV series Date: 11/30/05 5:50:39 PM Eastern Standard Time From: keizi@mindspring.com To: community_garden@mallorn.com Sent from the Internet Hello gardeners, I've just joined this list serve in an attempt to make contact with one or more among you who might help further the cause of promoting sustainable gardening practices to the American mainstream. I am working with a producer to develop a TV series for cable. The subject is green design: homes, gardens and communities designed to be sustainable. We have already completed a pilot/promo shot in the Bay Area and are in the last phase of putting our written pitch together to try to sell it to a cable network. Our goal is to frame things in a way that will reach out to more of a mainstream audience. It's a kind of introduction for many people that have no idea of the concept. Rather than a 'how to' it's mainly showcasing the great things happening now all across the country. We need to present our potential ideas for the series and one of the things I'm lacking are some great gardens to showcase. I personally feel passionate about community gardening and certainly want to use a few, but I think we need more diversity for this particular series. We need projects that are special and inspiring! So here are the things I'm looking for: ___ beautiful organic home garden (can be edible, ornamental, permaculture, biodynamic etc) ___ " roof top garden ( non commercial) ___small neighborhood community garden ___urban community garden The regions where we are planning to do the shows are: 1. The Bay Area 2. Los Angeles 3. Portland, Oregon 4. Santa Fe, Taos area 5. Austin, Texas 6. Denver, Colorado 7. Chicago, IL, 8. Kansas City, MO 9. Atlanta, Georgia 10. Sarasota Florida 11. Charleston, South Carolina region 12. Washington, DC 13. NYC We we are open to anyplace within about 100 miles or so of these regions. I would be very grateful for any help or even the name of a contact person in any of these regions whom I might call. Thanks! Kay Richardson Project Coordinator Design For Life 415-830-0903______________________________________________________ The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA and to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org To post an e-mail to the list: community_garden@mallorn.com To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your subscription: https://secure.mallorn.com/mailman/listinfo/community_garden
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