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Re: BLACK KABOULI Bush Garbanzo Beans in Pennsylvania

  • Subject: Re: [cg] BLACK KABOULI Bush Garbanzo Beans in Pennsylvania
  • From: Pat_Elazar@cwb.ca
  • Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:58:54 -0600

Hi Doreen!

You & Libby are BOTH correct. Garbanzos are a vetch botanically- like peas & favas. They prefer cooler weather than true beans (Phaseolus) & can even tolerate light frosts (unlike beans). Thats why they are planted in early spring in a meditereanean climate.

However, they DO like warmer soil than peas. We grow them even up here in Winnipeg (500mi NW of Minneapolis- yeah NORTH of Mpls!) on the border between zones 3 & 4. I plant mine about 2 weeks after peas & 2 weeks before beans (give or take).

If you have a few extra seeds of Black Garbonzos, I'd love to trade you some of my giant Favas for them?

Alliums <garlicgrower@earthlink.net>
Sent by: community_garden-admin@mallorn.com

03/08/2003 08:59 AM

        To:        community_garden@mallorn.com
        Subject:        [cg] BLACK KABOULI Bush Garbanzo Beans in Pennsylvania

Hi, Folks!

I finally found one of the seed packets from Seeds of Change -- as many as
they sent us, you'd think it would have been easier to find, but I'm in the
midst of excavating the basement to find my seed-starting supplies buried
under new-husband and can't-get-rid-of cousin's stuff that was dumped
hither and thither. . .

Libby wrote:

>I grew them years ago. The variety that I grew was more cold resistant
>than most.

What's confusing me on this seed packet is that in the initial paragraph,
it says "A cool weather crop, cultured like peas" whereas under planting
instructions, it says "Plant directly in garden when danger of frost is
past."  *That* does not sound like a cool weather plant *to me*!  (Or maybe
life is just different in the arid SW! ;-))

>Anyway, one needs to start them in warm soil

The seed packet says soil temp of 50 to 70 degrees.  With 90 to 100 days to
maturity, I guess I can just plant peas and leave these guys until May.

>(Have you seen any soil yet? I haven't.):

Soil?  All we have here is permafrost! ;-P

>They are low-growing, have ferny leaves and pretty white flowers.

The packet also says that "this famed variety from stories and legends of
the Middle East is said to attract thunderstorms when flowering."  No
wonder SOC couldn't sell them, so passed them on to us!

It's supposed to give me 2 beans/pod, but one isn't supposed to harvest
until 2/3 of the crop is dry -- can't use the beans  fresh for hummus? :-(

>Has your snow melted off yet? I've still got places in the back yard with
>almost a foot left.

I'm going up to the garden this afternoon to see how many feet of snow are
left.  *Nothing* is melting since it's just a field of white out there and
as I have a member of the church youth group who wants to do his high
school community service at the garden, it just kills me not to be able to
put him to work out there!  A teenager is a terrible thing to waste! ;-)

Don wrote:

>where you are, Dorene - Zone 6?

Yep, this is Zone 6.

>They are a Mediterranean summer crop, so they resist drought

Why the seed packet is telling me they are a cool season crop is really
throwing me here.  I believe you and Libby more -- these guys aren't
getting planted until late May!

>Direct seed, and I suggest soaking them 6 hrs or so before (like for peas
or sweet peas).

I've never soaked my peas -- I usually plant them about NOW (grrrrrrr,
snow) and then just let them come up whenever they feel like it.  I'm sure
if I soaked them, they would come up faster.

>but as Libby says they are pretty in a quiet way.

That's because you guys didn't plant the "attracting thunderstorm" variety! ;-)

>If they don't work, dig 'em in as green manure.

Too many thunderstorms while the plants are flowering and they are worm
food! ;-D

>They might look nice around the base of okra as an 'edible mulch'.

PineTree Seeds sent me a bag of loose red okra seed -- maybe I'll do a bed
with the black garbanzos and red okra

>Meanwhile, I'm going to try edame (edible soybean) this year. My family
now gobbles 'em by the fistfull, and they >supposedly work well here in
Zone 7, better than limas.

Yes, yes, yes -- you definitely want to grow them!  They are *fantastic*
and not difficult at all.  The deer do like them, so if they are a problem,
you'll have to deer fence them (deer don't tend to eat the field soybeans
around here, so I was surprised they liked these so much).  They spread
more than they are tall, but the plants are not fussy if you keep them
weeded/mulched and are very easy to harvest.  If they mature faster on you
(I was growing for seed last year so that I could grow for eating this
year), they rehydrate very quickly and are very good in soups (which is
where my seed cull went).  All of us should be growing them -- they're
easy, they're expensive in the store and they are nitrogen fixers, so good
for your soil.  What more can you ask of a veggie? :-D

Dorene Pasekoff, Coordinator
St. John's United Church of Christ Organic Community Garden

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