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Re: Scotts Company & USBG

OK, I'm in....

I couldn't hold back on what has been a very stimulating and heated 
discussion. Ultimately, I suppose, one has to decide on what to do for 
themselves regarding the original message: Should you contact the USBG and 
let them know that you feel taking money from Scotts is wrong (or that they 
should take the money, knowing that it will be put to good use inspiring and 
educating people about gardening, despite the fact that it might be 

However, there is a deeper issue here running through our comments on this 
listserve. As community gardeners, we tend to have deeply held, passionate 
beliefs about a great many things. Although disagreement is a cornerstone of 
democracy, I feel that we spend a great amount of time in the environmental 
and social justice movements disagreeing with and sniping at each other, 
rather than working together to address the real issues. And, if we don't 
know what the real issues are, well that's a great place to start!

It is important for all of us to question where money comes from to support 
our projects and organizations, and to challenge sources of funding that go 
to support other groups. However, we need to remember that, whatever our 
position on this topic, we need to talk WITH each other rather than AT each 

We could detail the atrocities and misinterpretations associated with 
Thanksgiving as well, but let's just set all that aside for a moment. In any 
manner that feels right to you, remember to give thanks for the work that we 
do and to honor each other in doing that work.

Peace, y'all...


>From: "Laura McKenzie" <laurabrownmckenzie@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <community_garden@mallorn.com>
>Subject: Re: [cg] Scotts Company & USBG
>Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 14:34:33 -0600
>    Please believe me when I say my reply to you wasn't an
>attack but a stance.  You are beginning to take it personally.
>I'm sorry.
>       First, since you don't know me, you don't know that I try
>very hard not to drive at all and since we're doing our best to
>get our garden to the point where I can grow all our food
>except grains (we're vegetarians), I won't even need a grocery
>store soon. And yes, everyone including me needs to stop
>driving our cars around as much as we do. We live a good
>distance out in the country and since I homeschool my children
>and don't have a second income, we're careful about driving for
>more reasons than one.  I always call my friends and offer to
>do their shopping for them "in town" so the driving is reduced
>and mostly my husband picks up everything on his way home from
>     Second, Scotts is a villianous company. Sorry if saying
>that offends you.  They are and they know they are. A spade is
>a spade no matter how much money it contributes to our economy
>or to charities.  A better point than mine was the one about
>the mindless cartoonish commercials out there that make folks
>feel safe and secure in using whatever they want however they
>want to in their gardens. Since I personally have a friend who
>is dying of advanced breast cancer and has a husband with
>non-hodgkins lymphoma and a daughter with brain tumors, I have
>seen devestation wreaked by Scotts and other companies.  Get
>these companies talking and eventually they'll start talking
>numbers and "acceptable risk". Seeing my friend and her family
>makes me feel there is no acceptable risk. (Likely their
>problems stem from living beside a place that is consistently
>and heavily sprayed with herbicides... there are studies by
>respectable institutions if you want to read them.)
>      Lastly,  I'm not hating everyone who uses weed be gone or
>whatever. I am offering a free alternative and help for anyone
>not wanting to hurt others and themselves by giving money to
>chemical companies.   The attitude " just a little won't hurt"
>is generated directly by the company you are defending. I don't
>blame you or other consumers for believing their line. They
>spend millions on advertising to convince you and I'm just one
>        I personally depend on compost tea for just about every
>ill in my garden that good soil can't take of and it works just
>fine. If it doesn't, I wasn't meant to grow that plant this
>year.   If anyone wants compost tea recipes just write me!   If
>suggesting that we make compost tea and mulch and not spend our
>money on Scotts brand products makes enemies of them, then so
>be it. They were enemies to start with as far as I'm concerned.
>(Keep in mind my friends.) There is a time to say "no" and I've
>said it.
>Dawn wrote:
>     Every dumb worker is not responsible for the company
>representative who
>suggested playing in Diazinon.
>Very few people can follow directions; people who won't read
>and abide
>by directions should all become organic gardeners.    And we
>all take anyone else's word for safety!   However, villianizing
>isn't going to turn this world around and it will make enemies
>environmentalists will have to subdue before we can accomplish
>    We need to take this serious task one step at a time.
>Ants are important in improving the soil in the low desert.
>creature has an important job to do.     Perhaps the thing to
>do is
>educate people about the role ants play in improving the soil.
>also eat termites!
>Gasoline is poluting our air; why don't you walk everywhere you
>Perhaps it is inconvienent to take your idealism that far?
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