RE: Fwd: Nitrogen application rates

me, neither, david. never needed [operative word] a doobie.

bluegrass festivals with doobies and other amenities, however, were the best.

david grisman; jerry garcia; tony rice; charlie waller; peter rowan [remember "the free mexican air force"?]. i've got tapes of hundreds of them--mostly mandolin players, like grisman and john duffy. some of ricky skaggs cuts are the best bluegrass ever. i went to see ricky a dozen or so times and came to the conclusion that ricky excels on all bluegrass instruments--mandolin, banjo, guitar.



i remember a bluegrass festival in telluride, colorado, when we could not bring coolers into the stage area because the local cops [who are always, in my opinion, examples of life's true failures] had decided that bluegrass fans drank beer and got rowdy. well, as far as i know, no one tried to take beer into the festival.

but we did take grass. and it was one of the most unrowdy events that telluride has ever had.

oh, yeah. during this period of time, telluride airport was one of the key destinations for plane loads of cocaine. the beer-sniffing cops never caught on [or were on the take].



At 08:59 PM 2/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
David, I never needed a "doobie."  Nature always was enough of a high.

Blessings,

Bonnie

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
Of David Franzman
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:56 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Nitrogen application rates

Oh man Bonnie, I just had this picture of you laying out in a field, looking
up
at the sky, smoking a doobie and chilling with the music.  Sheesh, made me
nostalgic!

DF

Bonnie & Bill Morgan wrote:

> There is nothing wrong with blue-grass music either.  I love to lay on the
> blue grass and listen to the music of the wind while looking at what
shapes
> the clouds have made in the soft blue sky mid-summer.  (LOL)  O.K., I've
> never REALLY grown up.  (No pun intended.)
>
> Blessings,
>
> Bonnie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
Behalf
> Of David Franzman
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:29 PM
> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Nitrogen application rates
>
> Oh man, I love Blue Grass.  I just got an Alison Kraus cd.  She's quite
> talented.
>
> DF
>
> Bonnie & Bill Morgan wrote:
>
> > Andrea, mine is mostly blue grass with some perennial rye in the shadier
> > areas.  Thanks for checking it for me!
> >
> > Blessings,
> >
> > Bonnie
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> Behalf
> > Of Andrea H
> > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:33 AM
> > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Fwd: Nitrogen application rates
> >
> > let me know what kind of lawn you have and I can look it up in my trusty
> > 'turf management" book.
> >
> > Andrea H
> > Beaufort, SC
> > Zone 8b
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:29 PM
> > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Fwd: Nitrogen application rates
> >
> > > Great info, Cathy!  I imagine that applies to what we put on our lawns
> > after
> > > a fashion, too.
> > >
> > > Blessings,
> > >
> > > Bonnie
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of cathy carpenter
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 3:35 PM
> > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > Subject: [CHAT] Fwd: Nitrogen application rates
> > >
> > > Thought there might be some interest in this information on Nitrogen
> > > application rates from our extension ag educator. It is intended for
> > > farmers, but contains food for thought for us all.
> > > Cathy
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > > From: Mike Roegge <roeggem@uiuc.edu>
> > > > Date: Fri Feb 07, 2003  01:47:14 PM US/Central
> > > > To: roeggem@uiuc.edu
> > > > Subject: Nitrogen application rates
> > > >
> > > > Weekly Crop Update                  2-7-03
> > > > By Mike Roegge, University of Illinois Extension, Adams/Brown Unit
> > > >
> > > >     Our featured speaker at the recently held No Till Seminar, Dr.
> Fred
> > > > Below, presented his research on nitrogen rates. He looked at N
rates
> > > > over a three-year period in a variety of cropping situations: no
till,
> > > > conventional, C-SB and C-C rotations, on producersm fields and on
> > > > research farms. His objective was to determine the optimal rate of
> > > > nitrogen for plant yield. Not necessarily the economic rate, but the
> > > > rate at which, biologically, the plant quit responding.
> > > >     With over 40 site years of data, his findings were that in no
> > > > circumstances, did the corn crop require any more than 1.2 pounds of
N
> > > > per bushel of yield. For many years, this has been the U of I
> > > > recommendation. And it hasnmt changed.
> > > > Actually, the average requirement was 0.9 pounds of N per bushel of
> > > > yield. The same need was found regardless of environment grown
> (tilled,
> > > > preceding crop, etc.). Interestingly enough, when plotted against
> > > > yield, those fields that yielded the lowest required the highest
> amount
> > > > of N (per bushel). The higher the productivity of the soil, the
lower
> > > > the amount of N needed per bushel of grain.
> > > >     If nothing else, this work proved again, that 1.2 pounds of N
per
> > > > bushel of corn is all that is necessary. There is already some
lfluffn
> > > > built into this recommendation, so making applications of higher
rates
> > > > of N only costs additional dollars and risks higher N losses.
> > > > Of course, make sure when you account for the 1.2 pounds, you
include
> > > > incidental N (starter, DAP, 28%, etc.) and also take the soybean N
> > > > credit if that was your prior crop.
> > > >     We still have approximately 50% of the corn acres to receive
> > > > nitrogen this spring. Many producers still use rates higher than
> > > > recommended as insurance against the year when crop yields go
through
> > > > the roof. They donmt want to get caught short. However, based upon
> this
> > > > research, and on other N research conducted by the U of I, there is
no
> > > > need to lfluffn your N rate. Data from Dr. Bob Hoeft over an 18 year
> > > > time period found similar results. He found that by increasing N
rate
> > > > by 30-40 pounds per acre over the 1.2 pounds actually led to
decreased
> > > > net income.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike Roegge             University of Illinois Extension
> > > > 330 S. 36th Street          Adams/Brown Unit
> > > > Quincy, IL 62301            r*@uiuc.edu
> > > > Phone: 217-223-8380         FAX: 217-223-9368
> > >
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