RE: time to vent!

I don't think those stereotypes have anything to do with the Bible Belt.
Areas of secularists are just as bad as anywhere else.  Sometimes I think it
is a lack of education and opportunities for education.  I can tell you that
I got pretty tired of the "glass ceiling" at a number of places where I
worked, so it's not just something that happens at home, either.  

While I rejected the "his place"/"her place" penchant, my daughters are not
in full agreement.  Both can be very self sufficient, but the older one is
very content letting her husband do "men's work" while the younger is a
"team" player with her significant other.  (She and her boy friend have done
some amazing remodeling of his home.  The new bath is all done in stone with
mosaic areas, the faux paint techniques they used in the rest of the house
are "inspired."  And daughter Rayna has provided most of the art for the
walls with her photographs and her charcoal sketches.)

Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
Of james singer
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:06 PM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!

All this "men's work/women's work" stuff is gibberish to me. I was born  
in the early 30s [very early, Hoover was president] when that sort of  
nonsense was accepted by most people. But times change and continue to  
change. Women have been more-or-less liberated from such stupid  
stereotypes. Or so I thought. But maybe not in the bible belt. Hello?


On Monday, June 21, 2004, at 04:45 PM, Kitty wrote:

>> It amazing me that girls don't think they or women are
>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my husband  
>> should be
>
> Even with all the efforts of the women's movement, some people still  
> have
> not moved forward.  They still live and breathe stereotype.  Coming of  
> age
> in the 60s and 70s, the movement did influence me in what I view to be
> positive ways for the most part.  But I think, even without the  
> movement, I
> would not be a "men's work - women's work" type.  For the most part,  
> if I
> want something done, I can do it unless it requires special knowledge  
> or
> strength I don't have.  I also think if you can eat, you can cook and  
> wash
> dishes.  If you can use a bathroom, you can clean one.  This is not the
> women's movement speaking, it is just pure common sense.
> Kitty
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tchessie" <tchessie@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 11:57 AM
> Subject: RE: [CHAT] time to vent!
>
>
>> It cracks me up when the kids in my neighborhood ask me why I'm  
>> outside
>> working (this happened again last week as I was pruning a low branch  
>> off a
>> bradford pear).  It amazing me that girls don't think they or women  
>> are
>> capable of using a pruning saw and almost insist that my husband  
>> should be
>> doing it.  My husband and I however have a very clear agreement- the
> outside
>> of the house is my territory.  I only does something if I  
>> specifically ask
>> for his help.  Mind you, I wouldn't mind if he mowed the yard  
>> occasionally
>> without my asking- but I can live with that too.  I have never had him
> chop
>> down, pull up or otherwise destroy a plant.  And he is a great sport-
> after
>> I've planted, moved or trimmed anything, he's always willing to be  
>> drug
> out
>> and view the new look.  He smiles and says it looks great, even  
>> though I
>> know half the time he can't tell what is different.
>>
>> Theresa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net]On
>> Behalf Of cathy carpenter
>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:04 PM
>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] time to vent!
>>
>>
>> At least he didn't hit it with Round-Up! You won't have blooms this
>> year, but it should come back. Gary is dangerous with any cutting
>> instruments (mowers, weed wackers, etc) or chemicals. He mowed down 3
>> of my long established big bluestem this year, and he supposedly knows
>> the border of the bed they were planted in. Any shrub or tree newly
>> planted is marked with those little construction flags - makes for an
>> attractive yard!
>> My condolences,
>> Cathy
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 01:16 PM, james singer wrote:
>>
>>> Donna, my sympathy. But this is one of the reasons Ms. Fatma and I
>>> continually remind one another about pet projects. We do much garden
>>> stuff together, but there are also lots of things we do individually
>>> [she has only a gastronomic interest in tropical fruit, for example].
>>> Talking and pointing help a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2004, at 02:04 PM, Donna wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know many of you on this list are --um-- single, and I may be too  
>>>> if
>>>> this trend continues.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday while I was on 'the girls' road trip, DH who should not  
>>>> even
>>>> be outside, decided to help me in the garden....
>>>>
>>>> He proceeded to cut down my entire patch of queen of the prairie, a  
>>>> 5
>>>> X
>>>> 5 ft stand about to bloom this week.
>>>>
>>>> I came home, looked out the patio door and had a fit!
>>>>
>>>> He thought it was a weed with seed heads and didn't want it to
>>>> spread...
>>>> it only took me 5 years to get it to fill the area!...destroyed in  
>>>> an
>>>> afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> Grumble, grumble....
>>>>
>>>> Donna
>>>> I figured this list would understand why I am upset, seems no one  
>>>> here
>>>> does:(
>>>>
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>>> Zone 10
>>> 27.0 N, 82.4 W
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