RE: dulcinea's heart and mine

Not sure about CA Theresa but Snaps are considered annuals here as well.
They are winter annuals for us. Can't take the summer heat and humidity.

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From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net [o*@hort.net] On Behalf
Of Theresa G.
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:10 AM
To: gardenchat@hort.net
Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine

I do cut the.m back and water as needed, but nope, they never come 
back.  No wonder I always thought they were annuals.  I got a really 
lovely one from Annie's last year that I so hoped might comeback or self 
seed. But nope, nothing.
Theresa

Pam Evans wrote:
> Theresa - snapdragons are hardy here and we're 8A.  When they start to
poop
> out do you cut them back and keep water on them occasionally?  That's what
I
> do in July and they come back in October and bloom once in late fall and
on
> and off from February until about the end of June.  I like them in hanging
> baskets on the front porch.  ESE exposure.  And four o'clocks do the same
> thing here.
>
> On 6/6/09, Theresa G. <macycat3@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> Hmm- interesting.  Well since I'm zone 8-9  I feel totally dismayed that
I
>> can't get any snapdragons to come back in spring. Wonder why??
>> Four oclocks on the other hand grow like weeds and never stop.
>> Theresa
>>
>> Kitty wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> A. 'Dulcinea's Heart' is a cross between Antirrhinum braun-blanquettii
and
>>> Antirrhinum majus.
>>> Antirrhinum majus, the common garden snapdragon is supposedly hardy iin
>>> Zones 7-10, but is always grown as an annual here.
>>> Antirrhinum braun-blanquettii is hardy zones 4-10
>>> http://www.anniesannuals.com/plants/plant_display.asp?prodid=54
>>> http://www.robsplants.com/plants/AntirBraun.php
>>> I've read that the species tends to sprawl, but DHeart stays upright.
>>>
>>> Theresa, there are lots of plants that the general public believes
>>> contains only one species - the one that is marketed.  I thought snaps
were
>>> annuals too.  When I came across this, I thought wow!, had to try it.
Same
>>> with the Mirabilis (4 oclock, Marvel of Peru).  But there are hardier
>>> species.
>>>
>>> BTW, re the Mirabilis.  Last fall I potted up 10 fat tubers that had
grown
>>> from volunteer seeds and overwintered them in the garage.  I also stored
10
>>> loose tubers in moistened vermiculite, then potted those in spring.
Every
>>> one of them came back.  They're thought to be an annual here.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kitty
>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa G." <macycat3@sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is a really goofy questoin- but you are talking about a snapdragon
>>>       
>>>> right?  I've never ever had them return a second year.  I always
thought
>>>> they were annuals???
>>>>
>>>> Theresa
>>>>
>>>> Kietty wrrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Weell, sI dug ait up.  Re Daryl's mention of soil moisture, that
>>>>> aspect seemed ideal.  It wasn't wet, wasn't dry - seemed just right.
>>>>> Mulch was only perhaps a half in thick.
>>>>> Roots were nice and white, nothing appeared rotted.  The base is solid
>>>>> and woody.
>>>>> I had planted a dwarf Amsonia next to it at the same time last year
>>>>> and it is doing beautifully.
>>>>> I potted what is left of it up; removed all the dying material. We'll
>>>>> wait and see.
>>>>> Gosh, I wanna order another one really bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kitty
>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on  the pictures... it's gonna die if you don't do something.
>>>>>           
>>>>>> If it were mine, I would dig it up, wash all the dirt off the roots,
>>>>>> repot it
>>>>>> in a pot with fresh good soil, if I didn't see what was causing this
by
>>>>>> digging it up and looking at the roots. (maybe some critter is eating
>>>>>> the root
>>>>>> shoots?)  I would also get my joy dishsoap out, deluted with water,
>>>>>> and spray
>>>>>> the heck out of it and leave it in the shade for a few hours, then
>>>>>> rinse it
>>>>>> off....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometime I have success doing this, sometimes it kills it within 24
>>>>>> hours....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> other thoughts-   Have you fertilized in that area and it got too
much
>>>>>> recently?  Definately looks like something soil/root issue as it is
>>>>>> dieing
>>>>>> from the ground up.....or maybe it is too wet of an area?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure someone else will have a better suggestion than me....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>>>> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 9:48 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe, but I don't recall, Donna.  Here are some pics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmrsy/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like Flicker, not as easy as yahoo photos was.  If that link
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> take you directly to the pics of the snapdragon, click on the set
>>>>>> tiltled
>>>>>> "befuddled".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kitty
>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:37 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you ever have issues with Verticillium Wilt near where this is
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> planted?
>>>>>>> Although this is more of a tree/shrub issue, according to Kemper, it
>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>> this for that plant.
>>>>>>> http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/PlantFinder/Plant.asp?code=C851
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Feel lucky you enjoyed it for 2 seasons.  A few years ago a garden
>>>>>>> center
>>>>>>> around here was selling a similair one claiming to be hardy.  I
didn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> it, but the sale was on so I tried it.  Didn't over winter for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
>>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
>>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
>>>>>>> Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:17 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> are broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I ordered zone 5 hardy varieties of Antirrhinum, Mirabilis, and
>>>>>>> Pelargonium
>>>>>>> last year from HCG, not sure I believed their promises.  The Pel
just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> feel at home, limped along, and gave up.  The Mirabilis had a weak
>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>> survived, no flowers, but managed.  It came back hale and hearty
>>>>>>> this year,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> I am hoping for flowers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it was the hardy snap, 'Dulcinea's Heart', that blew me away.
She
>>>>>>> bloomed, never stopping, from May until October.  On New Year's she
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> green.  By spring, the thick crown was battered and brown, but she
put
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> forth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> new growth quickly when the weather warmed.  She is covered in
>>>>>>> blooms! But
>>>>>>> she's withering fast recently.  Her leaves droop and she is dying
>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>> now.  It's so sad.  I don't think she'll last much longer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone have any idea what could be happening?
>>>>>>> Kitty
>>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
>>>>>>>
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