Re: dulcinea's heart and mine

How odd.  I wonder why they don't come back??  Hmmm.

On 6/7/09, Theresa G. <macycat3@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> I do cut the.m back and water as needed, but nope, they never come
> back.  No wonder I always thought they were annuals.  I got a really
> lovely one from Annie's last year that I so hoped might comeback or self
> seed. But nope, nothing.
> Theresa
>
> Pam Evans wrote:
> > Theresa - snapdragons are hardy here and we're 8A.  When they start to
> poop
> > out do you cut them back and keep water on them occasionally?  That's
> what I
> > do in July and they come back in October and bloom once in late fall and
> on
> > and off from February until about the end of June.  I like them in
> hanging
> > baskets on the front porch.  ESE exposure.  And four o'clocks do the same
> > thing here.
> >
> > On 6/6/09, Theresa G. <macycat3@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm- interesting.  Well since I'm zone 8-9  I feel totally dismayed that
> I
> >> can't get any snapdragons to come back in spring. Wonder why??
> >> Four oclocks on the other hand grow like weeds and never stop.
> >> Theresa
> >>
> >> Kitty wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> A. 'Dulcinea's Heart' is a cross between Antirrhinum braun-blanquettii
> and
> >>> Antirrhinum majus.
> >>> Antirrhinum majus, the common garden snapdragon is supposedly hardy iin
> >>> Zones 7-10, but is always grown as an annual here.
> >>> Antirrhinum braun-blanquettii is hardy zones 4-10
> >>> http://www.anniesannuals.com/plants/plant_display.asp?prodid=54
> >>> http://www.robsplants.com/plants/AntirBraun.php
> >>> I've read that the species tends to sprawl, but DHeart stays upright.
> >>>
> >>> Theresa, there are lots of plants that the general public believes
> >>> contains only one species - the one that is marketed.  I thought snaps
> were
> >>> annuals too.  When I came across this, I thought wow!, had to try
> it.  Same
> >>> with the Mirabilis (4 oclock, Marvel of Peru).  But there are hardier
> >>> species.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, re the Mirabilis.  Last fall I potted up 10 fat tubers that had
> grown
> >>> from volunteer seeds and overwintered them in the garage.  I also
> stored 10
> >>> loose tubers in moistened vermiculite, then potted those in
> spring.  Every
> >>> one of them came back.  They're thought to be an annual here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kitty
> >>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa G." <
> macycat3@sbcglobal.net>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 3:52 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Here is a really goofy questoin- but you are talking about a snapdragon
> >>>
> >>>> right?  I've never ever had them return a second year.  I always
> thought
> >>>> they were annuals???
> >>>>
> >>>> Theresa
> >>>>
> >>>> Kietty wrrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Weell, sI dug ait up.  Re Daryl's mention of soil moisture, that
> >>>>> aspect seemed ideal.  It wasn't wet, wasn't dry - seemed just right.
> >>>>> Mulch was only perhaps a half in thick.
> >>>>> Roots were nice and white, nothing appeared rotted.  The base is
> solid
> >>>>> and woody.
> >>>>> I had planted a dwarf Amsonia next to it at the same time last year
> >>>>> and it is doing beautifully.
> >>>>> I potted what is left of it up; removed all the dying material. We'll
> >>>>> wait and see.
> >>>>> Gosh, I wanna order another one really bad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kitty
> >>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:17 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Based on  the pictures... it's gonna die if you don't do something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If it were mine, I would dig it up, wash all the dirt off the roots,
> >>>>>> repot it
> >>>>>> in a pot with fresh good soil, if I didn't see what was causing this
> by
> >>>>>> digging it up and looking at the roots. (maybe some critter is
> eating
> >>>>>> the root
> >>>>>> shoots?)  I would also get my joy dishsoap out, deluted with water,
> >>>>>> and spray
> >>>>>> the heck out of it and leave it in the shade for a few hours, then
> >>>>>> rinse it
> >>>>>> off....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sometime I have success doing this, sometimes it kills it within 24
> >>>>>> hours....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> other thoughts-   Have you fertilized in that area and it got too
> much
> >>>>>> recently?  Definately looks like something soil/root issue as it is
> >>>>>> dieing
> >>>>>> from the ground up.....or maybe it is too wet of an area?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am sure someone else will have a better suggestion than me....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- On Sat, 6/6/09, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
> >>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>> Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 9:48 AM
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe, but I don't recall, Donna.  Here are some pics:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmrsy/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't like Flicker, not as easy as yahoo photos was.  If that link
> >>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>> take you directly to the pics of the snapdragon, click on the set
> >>>>>> tiltled
> >>>>>> "befuddled".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna" <gossiper@sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:37 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you ever have issues with Verticillium Wilt near where this is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> planted?
> >>>>>>> Although this is more of a tree/shrub issue, according to Kemper,
> it
> >>>>>>> lists
> >>>>>>> this for that plant.
> >>>>>>> http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/PlantFinder/Plant.asp?code=C851
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Feel lucky you enjoyed it for 2 seasons.  A few years ago a garden
> >>>>>>> center
> >>>>>>> around here was selling a similair one claiming to be hardy.  I
> didn't
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> believe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it, but the sale was on so I tried it.  Didn't over winter for me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Donna
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --- On Fri, 6/5/09, Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Kitty <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [CHAT] dulcinea's heart and mine
> >>>>>>> To: gardenchat@hort.net
> >>>>>>> Date: Friday, June 5, 2009, 8:17 PM
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> are broken.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I ordered zone 5 hardy varieties of Antirrhinum, Mirabilis, and
> >>>>>>> Pelargonium
> >>>>>>> last year from HCG, not sure I believed their promises.  The Pel
> just
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> feel at home, limped along, and gave up.  The Mirabilis had a weak
> >>>>>>> start,
> >>>>>>> survived, no flowers, but managed.  It came back hale and hearty
> >>>>>>> this year,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am hoping for flowers.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But it was the hardy snap, 'Dulcinea's Heart', that blew me
> away.  She
> >>>>>>> bloomed, never stopping, from May until October.  On New Year's she
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> still
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> green.  By spring, the thick crown was battered and brown, but she
> put
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> forth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> new growth quickly when the weather warmed.  She is covered in
> >>>>>>> blooms! But
> >>>>>>> she's withering fast recently.  Her leaves droop and she is dying
> >>>>>>> quickly
> >>>>>>> now.  It's so sad.  I don't think she'll last much longer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone have any idea what could be happening?
> >>>>>>> Kitty
> >>>>>>> neIN, Zone 5
> >>>>>>>
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Pam Evans
Kemp TX
zone 8A

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