Re: Plant disaster/ups versus usps

> must send them to school for that.
Yeah, public school.
Kitty

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [CHAT] Plant disaster/ups versus usps


> Kitty, you wouldn't believe it.  One time I actually had the guy at the
> counter helping me put on "up arrows" on the box.  I pay the guy and he
take
> the package, and I swear to god, puts it on the pile upside down!!!  They
> must send them to school for that.
>
> David Franzman
> A Touch of the Tropics
> www.atouchofthetropics.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Plant disaster/ups versus usps
>
>
> > Well, all I did was use Your zip code and Sally Ann's zip code to
> calculate
> > shipping at both UPS and USPS websites on a 20# package.  I didn't
include
> > any extra charges like delivery confirmation (USPS charges extra for
> > everything.)
> >
> > On a 10# package, same details, UPS 3day select is $32.01, while ground
is
> > $16.85 - so, yeah, that's double.
> > Via Post Office 10# would be Priority Mail - 3 days: $19.20, Overnight:
> > $37.50
> >
> > I think you can also arrange with the Post Office to pick up your
> packages.
> > I know you can do this with Ebay sales, so they must offer it to others,
> > too.  Anyway, if the choice is between UPS - 7days $16.85 and USPS -3
days
> > $19.20. I would pay the extra $2.35. $2.80 if you include delivery
> > confirmation.
> >
> > Really, David, it's a racket.  These folks have you between a rock and a
> > hard place.  If you don't like it, they don't care.
> >
> > Kitty
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Plant disaster/ups versus usps
> >
> >
> > > Kitty, I've checked with my UPS folks for the fastest yet most
> economical
> > > delivery and if 3 day select was among the choices it had to have been
> > > considerably more expensive than that. I will certainly ask again but
> I'm
> > > afraid the cost differential is significantly higher.   (I"m not
> doubting
> > > you I just wonder if that is offered here and if the cost is only $10
> more
> > I
> > > would have used it.) Now mind you that my plants don't weigh 20# so if
> the
> > > choice were $13 (which is what is typical for that distance and by the
> way
> > > they guarantee 7 day delivery) or $46 that's a huge difference when
you
> > > talking about a $20 plant.
> > >
> > > Parcel post, as I've been told could take up to two weeks as they
don't
> > > guarantee a particular delivery time.
> > >
> > > David Franzman
> > > A Touch of the Tropics
> > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Kitty" <kmrsy@comcast.net>
> > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:23 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Plant disaster/ups versus usps
> > >
> > >
> > > > David,
> > > > Other choices include UPS 3-day select and USPS Priority Mail - also
3
> > > day.
> > > > They are more expensive than ground shipping but are a  bit less
than
> > some
> > > > of the faster services.
> > > >
> > > > If you shipped a 20 pound 12x12x12 inch package from Santa Rosa CA
to
> > St.
> > > > Augustine FL by UPS:
> > > > Next Day Air -  $94.61
> > > > 2nd Day Air -  $59.36
> > > > 3day select -  $46.75
> > > > Ground  -   $25.25
> > > >
> > > > Same package via USPS:
> > > > Express Mail - Overnite (usually, they say)  $53.45
> > > > Priority Mail 3day  - $36.40
> > > > Parcel Post 7day  -   $26.12
> > > >
> > > > For an extra $10 I might opt to get my plants in better condition.
I
> > once
> > > > ordered from Greer and they sent via UPS ground and it took 10 days.
> > They
> > > > don't offer 3 day select for some reason, so it has to be ground or
> 2nd
> > > day
> > > > air.
> > > >
> > > > Kitty
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "David Franzman" <dfranzma@pacbell.net>
> > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:28 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [CHAT] Plant disaster/ups versus usps
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Aurali
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm dealing with the same problem more or less with my business.
> You
> > > see
> > > > > UPS doesn't deliver on Saturdays so the packages I send east of
the
> > > > > Mississippi take seven days to arrive instead of five or six.
They
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > sit someplace over the weekend.  Sending by air is absolutely out
of
> > the
> > > > > question.  Recently I sent two packages by ground the total bill
for
> > > > > shipping was $60.  If I had sent them by air it would have been
well
> > > over
> > > > > $200.  How can I ask a customer to pay $200 for freight?  On the
> other
> > > > hand
> > > > > USPS does deliver on Saturdays but they are more expensive and
then
> > you
> > > > end
> > > > > up with the same problem that you are describing.  USPS simply
isn't
> > > > really
> > > > > geared for shipping large boxes.  Fed Ex. ground?  You might as
well
> > put
> > > > it
> > > > > in a blender first before sending.  That company is the worst for
> > ground
> > > > > service.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I understand your disappointment but I have a new found
empathy
> > for
> > > > some
> > > > > of these companies who send out a nice product only to have it
> > butchered
> > > > by
> > > > > the shipping companies.
> > > > >
> > > > > David Franzman
> > > > > A Touch of the Tropics
> > > > > www.atouchofthetropics.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Bonnie & Bill Morgan" <wmorgan972@ameritech.net>
> > > > > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [CHAT] Plant disaster
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can't blame you for venting.  Anyone who ships plants must
know
> > that
> > > > > > weather conditions and delays can wreak havoc on plants.  I sure
> > hope
> > > > they
> > > > > > can find a quick remedy for you, Auralie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Blessings,
> > > > > > Bonnie (SW OH - zone 5)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: owner-gardenchat@hort.net
[o*@hort.net]
> > On
> > > > > Behalf
> > > > > > Of Aplfgcnys@aol.com
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 10:32 AM
> > > > > > To: gardenchat@hort.net
> > > > > > Subject: [CHAT] Plant disaster
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In early April I ordered many miniature roses from Nor'East for
a
> > > > > > Horticulture School I will be running next week. We are having a
> > > speaker
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the topic and
> > > > > > wanted to have plants to demonstrate and judge.  I was disturbed
> to
> > > find
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > they are no longer in the north east but in California.  Then I
> was
> > > told
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > they couldn't ship until the middle of May, but they assured me
> that
> > > > they
> > > > > > would be here in time for the school.  Well, they arrived at the
> > post
> > > > > office
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > Friday, but the post office doesn't deliver packages up my road
so
> > > they
> > > > > left
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > notice that we could pick up the package the next day.  The next
> > day,
> > > > > being
> > > > > > Saturday, we were both tied up with the Lasdon plant sale and
> unable
> > > to
> > > > > get
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > the post office, which by the way is not at all near us.  There
> are
> > > > three
> > > > > > nearer, but for packages we have to go in to Peekskill and
> struggle
> > > with
> > > > > > difficult
> > > > > > traffic and parking.  When I got the package this morning and
> opened
> > > it
> > > > I
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > just sick.  All the leaves have fallen off the plants.  It was
> hot
> > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > >
> > > > > > weekend and I guess they just cooked.  Only three of the 18
plants
> > > look
> > > > > any
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > like they might make it.  I'm sure I can nurse some of the
others
> > back
> > > > in
> > > > > > due
> > > > > > course, but not by next week.  And what will I do with all these
> > > roses -
> > > > I
> > > > > > had expected my club members to buy most of them, but I can't
ask
> > them
> > > > to
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > for these bare sticks.
> > > > > > If they had used UPS or FedEx there would have been no problem -
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > !@#) post office.  Since there is a three hour time difference,
I
> > will
> > > > > wait
> > > > > > until
> > > > > > 11:00 to call them, but I really intend to protest strongly.
> > > > > > Thanks for letting me vent.
> > > > > > Aurali
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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