Re: Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
iris@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
  • From: I* I* <c*@impressiveirises.com.au>
  • Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:18:07 +1030
I'm grateful for this discussion, because it lead me to look at the 
Plantsteps software, and I find that it is better than anything else 
I've previously looked at.

Colleen Modra

Robert Pries wrote:
> I feel I must apologize to Paul publically because if I understood an e-mail
> he sent me privately Plantsteps is much different than my understanding. Mia
> Culpa. I try to be somewhat savy of what is out on the internet. One of the
> trends I have seen, is plant sites starting up that want to represent all
> plants. When I look at them, I see the same information that is already in
> place on Dave's Garden that was simply pirated. It makes me sad that these
> sites just take the information from another site and make it seem like they
> did the hard work of assembling it. It must drive the authors of Dave's Garden
> Wild. But it seems the internet is sort of like the wild west and you can do
> whatever you want.
>
> I hope people will forgive me for jumping to the conclusion that plantsteps
> might be the same. I have a high respect for Daves Garden because he was doing
> for all plants what the Iris Society should have been doing in the same time
> period for Iris. We are Late in coming to the internet, it is not easy for
> plant societies to change. This us understandable because they have been
> providung the information for many years and did not see the need to move into
> new technologies. Daves Garden had the luxury of not having the history of
> hard wotk in creating the information that exists. But The word is out and
> many specialist plant societies are beginning to provide what they have been
> doing in this new media. Societies have many advantages, they have the
> information, expertize, and are not in it for profit. But They also are poor
> at developing a revenue source that can hire the experts to do the computer
> work that is outside of plant knowledge. Almost everything we do is because
> members with some knowledge have volunteered their services. It is
> questionable whether if we charged for what things should cost members would
> actually pay for it. I know that if I charged for my services the society
> would be bankrupt. but I do not and others give freely also. Somehow we create
> something larger than ourselves and get stisfaction from seeing others value
> our efforts.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Archer" <pharcher@mindspring.com>
> To: iris@hort.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 5:10:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
>
> Thank you... and in mutual and reciprocate agreement with Robert.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>   
>> From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Jan 3, 2010 12:58 PM
>> To: iris@hort.net
>> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
>>
>> To those that worry about Paul and I disagreeing I want to asure them that I
>>     
> have a very high respect for Paul and though we have never met I know about
> much of what he has done with the Iris society and believe Paul is a very fine
> person. I try to express my opinions wheter they always are in agreement or
> not and I am not always very eloquent in doing so. It may be that we may reach
> some common ground but I need to be convinced that if we did anything it would
> be a win win situation for everyone. Paul and I can continue talking off the
> forum.
>   
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul Archer" <pharcher@mindspring.com>
>> To: iris@hort.net
>> Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 4:57:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
>>
>>     
>>> I hate butting into these things but I think you guys are talking apples and
>>>       
> oranges.
>   
>> That is what I've been trying to say.  And you are very welcome to butt in
>>     
> anytime Rita (or anyone else), warranted or not.  That is what this group is
> for... open discussion.  Rita you are also a valued memeber of AIS
>   
>> And he hasn't contacted you because I have not been told where it is (or
>>     
> didn't see it that I can find). Someone else gave me the link and I
> registered.  Even looking at it now, I still would have suggested a
> collaboration.  I had proposed the idea to him and asked the needed questions
> for him.  He is not a member of AIS (as yet that I'm aware of) so him
> contacting AIS is unlikely considering his past experiences with plant
> socities and their being uncooperative.  Until now this discussion was going
> the same direction.  From your writings so far you were not willing to
> consider a collaboration as he might be stealing info so there was no need for
> him to contact you, right?  From your writings now this is your first attempt
> at reconciling a cooperative effort... and Thank you, Robert and all those
> participating.
>   
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>>> From: Robert Pries <robertpries@embarqmail.com>
>>> Sent: Jan 2, 2010 7:48 AM
>>> To: iris@hort.net
>>> Subject: Re: [iris] Re: wikiup for our photo data base (was Bulletin)
>>>
>>> I am willing to discuss cooperation with anyone including plant steps, after
>>>       
> all I am taking the time to have this discussion with you. I have invited
> everyone in this forum to go to the wiki and see it as it is being built. you
> do so by clicking on this link:http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view Several members
> of this forum have been already contributing mightily to wiki for at least a
> month and we now have 4,000 Irises with pages.I am amazed at how you have been
> telling my how the wiki does not do what you want when you have not even seen
> it. If your friend in plantsteps wishes to talk why has not he contacted me?
>   
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