Re: AIS: Symposium/soap box #9

 Iris Moose wrote:   The popularity poll should be a distinct  program
completely removed for the garden judges involvement.

John Jones responded:  I am a garden judge, and a member of AIS. I should
have the right to vote.

I respond:  Yes, everyone should have the right to vote, I meant it should
not be part of any other judges program.

John, some of your other responses just show your inability to trust people
to do the right thing.  The tabulators will have to check each ballot to
make sure that they are members of AIS and if someone does vote twice and
and gets away with it...so what, it probably is happening right now, too.  I
am not surprised that you say my statement about the Symposium being a bit
political  is "unsubstantiated and inflammatory."  If you stop looking for
personal attacks in my emails, then you might see some truth in my writings.
You asked for input and ideas from people two days ago and said they would
be welcome.  Obvioisly this is not the case and appears to be consistant
with you.  Now I expect to hear from your regular fan club members telling
me how wonderful you are and all the great things you do.  Your response as
an AIS Director continues to show me why AIS membership is in decline.

Finally, you say doing what is right is often more difficult than doing what
it wrong.  I believe that doing what is right is easier because it is
correct and in the long run you do not have to do it over and over until you
do get things right. Of course, there are those who simply don't care about
doing what is right and only care for themselves which may be easier, but it
is wrong in my opinion and does not accomplish the goals.

Now it is time to enjoy my morning coffee and go to work.

Cheers,
Iris Moose

ps.  Please do not let me emails add any stress to your life.


>
> > The popularity poll should acurately reflect the true popularity of
iries by
> > Region and then those results should be combined for a National
popularity
> > comperision.
>
> If you really believe in regional distinction, then a comperision (sic)
> is of little value to anyone. If you want irises that grow anywhere
> (which is what the Dykes and AIS award system is supposed to present)
> then the Symposium as it stands servers that purpose better. I am not
> saying the current awards system os perfect in its execution.
>
> > All votes should be write-ins only to ensure that these are the popular
> > irises being grown by the membership.
>
> We already have a problem of people voting from catalogs. I think that
> it might be just as bad with write-ins
>
> > Iris should not be limited to Tall Bearded types only since this not
reflect
> > the true growing patterns and popularity of the various regions.
>
> I agree
>
> > AIS should establish a Popularity Poll Chairman.
>
> We have one - the current symposium chair. No sense in having both
ballots.
>
>
> > Regional newsletters would also include a ballot.
>
> That could easily result in multiple votes by the same individual. In
> Region 14 at least the Bulletin goes out to all AIS members (in the
> region) as a matter of policy, so sending the ballot out in the regional
> bulletin would be a duplication.
>
> > Regional websites could
> > allow for members to vote via email or electronic ballot with results
going
> > to the Regional Tabulator.  Even clubs could make a ballet collection
part
> > of their meetings.
>
> You would need to have a clean easy way to prevent duplicate balloting,
> and no, it is not a simple matter.
>
> >
> > An award could be given to each Regional Popularity Poll winner as well
as
> > to the top winner after all Regional votes are tallied together.
> >
> > The current Symposium procedures are political and also influenced by
> > commercial input. (my personal opinion)
>
> > Small Regional hybridizers are totally being oppressed by the current
> > Symposium procedures.
>
> IMO a write in ballot from every member of AIS would not change this
> much because so many people know of the large suppliers. Even within a
> region, many AIS members are not aware of their local hybridizers.
>
> > Doing what is right should be easy
>
> Doing what is right is, in many cases, more difficult.
>
> > Continuing the fallacy of a popularity poll as the Symposium is
currently
> > established does not reflect well on the AIS Board and AIS in general
since
> > it clearly is not operating to achieve the mandate of the Symposium.
> >
> > Remove the political nature of the Symposium
>
> Unsubstantiated and inflammatory.
>
>
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