Re: Re: TB: Louisa's Song


Robin and John,
    From my perspective I can't say that I know or experience  "politics" or
"insider control" regarding the AIS awards system.   I'm an AIS judge, I get
a ballot in the mail just like all other judges.   I'm allowed to vote, in
my home, in private, at the time I choose, and mail it back in.   I've never
had anyone try to influence me.   I believe they tally the votes as
accurately as they can, and so the winners are based on vote count.   But
sometimes it does appear that the highest votes seem to come after an iris
is seen growing beautifully in a National convention garden... and I guess
that is because so many judges see it there.   And I would think they've
seen it grown in another garden back in their region, as they should.
There generally isn't much money at stake with iris... they are not
patented, so any commercial garden can pick up the best iris and sell them
themselves, so the hybridizer gets nothing from sales all over the country
except from his initial stock.   And generally, those really good iris
become popular back at home and by the time it is eligible for the Wister
and Dykes, most of us have probably grown it in our own garden and we do
like them.
Kitty
Northern Calif.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rshadlow" <rshadlow@wildmail.com>
To: <iris-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:13 PM
Subject: [iris-talk] Re: TB: Louisa's Song


> John,
>
> I really do agree that the current system does give the appearance
> of "insider" control.  I've been growing Irises for many years, but
> only recently have I thrown myself into serious study.  This aspect
> is what I find least appealing about Iris competition on a national
> level.
>
> From someone so recently from the outside looking in, there seems to
> be a great deal of politics involved in the selection of the winners.
>
> I showed Arabians for many years and really grew to dislike the
> artificial nature of that group's national politics.  Certainly
> whenever money is at stake, the potential always exists.
>
> I think I'll end up sticking with buying the iris I like, and not
> worrying so much about what awards it has.
>
> Robin
> NE Zone 4/5
>
>
>
>
>
>   --- In iris-talk@y..., John Reeds <jreeds@m...> wrote:
> > > American Iris Society. If it were the World Iris Society, or
> International
> > > Iris Society, one would expect it to fill that criterion.  It
> holds the
> > > registration book, so must be recognised by all other societies.
> I am sure
> > > there are many iris growers in Aus or Britain who never have
> anything to
> > > do with the AIS. America is not the universe, nor even the centre
> of it.
> > > From my perspective, the Aus Dykes award is quite visible.
> > > How many of Graeme grosveners irises have any of you seen?
> > > How may of you have seen Alan Johnsons LA's?
> > > the Italian Forenze seems to be the most 'international'
> competition.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Jan in Aus, not touting superiority of the Aus system,
> nor taking
> > > offence at Johns comments ... just trying to bring a different
> > > perspective.
> > >
> > Actually, Jan, I mostly agree with you.  It's not that I think the
> American
> > Iris Society should rule the world, I just think it should
> recognize foreign
> > intros.  Certainly Australia has a number of notable hybridizers,
> but I
> > still think someone from Iceland, Yugoslavia, Iran, Antarctica,
> Somalia, or
> > Tibet should be able to introduce an iris in his own country and
> still
> > receive international recognition.  Escpecially if they don't even
> have
> > local awards.  Maybe we need an international iris society?  I just
> don't
> > like the exclusivity of reserving top awards for insiders.  If we
> recognized
> > foreign-bred iris, we might be more exposed to them.  Interesting
> how many
> > top louisiana hybridizers are Australian; where was Louisiana again?
> >
> > I guess part of my attitude comes from living in Californa, which is
> > probably as international as any place in the world.  I believe in
> the
> > "melting pot" philosophy, not in that we all become alike but as in
> a rich
> > stew (Louisiana Gumbo?) we all have so much to offer to the
> wondrously
> > complex blend.  I am disgusted with politicians
> perverting "diversity" into
> > a means of isolating ethnic groups, convincing them that they are
> being
> > treated unfairly, and pretending to represent their "special"
> interests.
> > This may not translate well to the iris scene, but I've always been
> an "open
> > arms" kinda' guy.
> >
> > John Reeds, surrounded by incipient bloom in sunny southern
> California
> >
> >
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