Re: OT: judging and ethics
- Subject: Re: OT: judging and ethics
- From: M* M*
- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:42:44 -0500
From: "Mark, Maureen" <MARKM@tc.gc.ca>
Thanks Perry. This is very useful for me as I have not been involved in
organizing any AIS shows and have only had one session of show training so
far.
Maureen Mark
m*@ottawa.com
Ottawa, Canada (zone 4)
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> From: Perry Dyer[SMTP:pdyer@flash.net]
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 10:54 AM
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> Subject: [iris-talk] Re: OT: judging and ethics
>
> From: "Perry Dyer" <pdyer@flash.net>
>
> Maureen,
>
> You bring up good points, and I suspected I would get some "action" out of
> my comments. First, on the Louisiana boo-boo's. The Classification
> Committee at that show should have caught such blatant mistakes. But
> realistically, we know how fast and furious those entries come in the
> morning of the show. At the Sooner State shows, we try to "walk" the show
> quickly, immediately before the judging begins, to catch any strays.
> Always, always, have the entire set of registrations and introductions
> books
> readily available. I always throw mine in the back seat, just in case the
> show doesn't have them available (such as at the smaller clubs).
>
> I say, "when in doubt, look it up". Now you could waste a whole morning
> looking up varieties at a show you don't know. But that's what CLERKS are
> for. When I come upon a variety I don't know, and if it has the potential
> for going on to bigger and better (e.g., best of section), I ask the clerk
> to look up the variety. The judge shouldn't waste valuable time looking
> up
> every single mystery iris.
>
> I learned my lesson at a show in north Texas a few years back. It was a
> small show, small club, but they had a really nice representation of
> medians, a few dwarfs, the first half of the TB season, and some dynamite
> arilbreds. Right off the bat, the very first thing judged, was an
> arilbred
> that was out of this world. I recognized the name and knew it was a newer
> variety. I had the clerk look it up, because I wanted to see the
> parentage
> and registered height before we sent it up to the head table. Lo and
> behold, it was MISNAMED! The hybridizer had gotten the stock mixed up,
> and
> sent the exhibitor the wrong thing. Not even close. Can't really fault
> the
> exhibitor -- it was a brand new introduction. What if we hadn't had a
> clerk
> look it up? It was hands-down the best thing in the show and WOULD have
> won
> Queen.
>
> The RVP and Regional Judges Chairman should regularly scope out the judges
> of their region, and find out where there are deficiencies. Then take the
> plunge and arrange to have judges training in those areas, bringing in the
> best person they can find, if schedules and budget will allow.
>
> The Show Chairman should have a feel for what-all is being grown in the
> general vicinity, and work with the person in charge of the judges to
> arrange to have at least one expert in that field on the panel. At the
> early Sooner State shows, we always have a good mix of dwarfs, medians,
> arilbreds, and sometimes early TB's. The late show will almost always
> have
> TB's, siberians, Louisianas, and spurias (with an occasional I.
> pseudacorus
> to really confuse things!). Sooner State sponsors THREE shows every
> spring.
> So, judging our shows alone should really be an education to the judges.
>
> Perry Dyer
> central Oklahoma
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark, Maureen <MARKM@tc.gc.ca>
> To: 'iris-talk@onelist.com' <iris-talk@onelist.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:12 AM
> Subject: [iris-talk] OT: judging and ethics
>
>
> >From: "Mark, Maureen" <MARKM@tc.gc.ca>
> >
> >I attended a very useful judges training session on ethics given by
> Dorothy
> >Fingerhood. I was surprised at how much guidance on ethics was actually
> >provided in the judges handbook.
> >
> >Perry's comments on that judges should stand back when unfamiliar with
> the
> >class of iris raised a number of questions for me.
> >
> >What if none of the judges are comfortable with judging the class?
> >
> >Is the show chairman responsible for making sure that the judges secured
> can
> >cover the waterfront of irises?
> >
> >What if the weather plays havoc and a whole different range of irises are
> >shown and the judges are unfamiliar with many of them?
> >
> >For current AIS judges, what do you do when you are uncertain about the
> >identification of a particular cultivar? Do you give it the benefit of
> the
> >doubt?
> >
> >I'm sorry to hear about your experience, Perry, but judges do make
> mistakes.
> >That's why an appeal mechanism is important -- to inform judges. I
> >complained once at a hort. show when the judge disqualified my rose as he
> >considered that it was exhibited in the wrong class. The judge, who
> didn't
> >know that I had complained, mentioned the next year that he learned
> >something from that show. He looked up that particular cultivar and said
> >that he wouldn't ever make that mistake again.
> >
> >Judge's training is important too but it is not always easy to get the
> >judge's training that we all need. Other priorities do get in the way
> >sometimes. (I can't believe I'm saying that on this list! Irises RULE,
> >don't they?)
> >
> >Maureen Mark
> >m*@ottawa.com
> >Ottawa, Canada (zone 4)
> >
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