Lepechinia fragrans ID?

 Hello folks --

Thanks so much for your help with my plant ID problem -- which this has now
become :-).  Here's a web pic of Mimulus lewisii I found:

http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/imgs/512x768/6212_3041/0480/0040.jpeg
also:
http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?where-genre=Plant&where-taxon=Mimu
lus+lewisii

It's a little hard to remember since I last saw the flowers (in October),
but I'm pretty positive my plant had the distinct lower lip that the
Lepechinia has, not  the identical petals the Mimulus has.  Also the pointy
(separated) calyces.  The seeds, however, were many to a pod, extremely
small, almost like dust.

I just got out the seed packet to check seed color.  They're a dark brown,
almost black.   I had saved whole seed pods, so I could confirm that the
pods do have those separated calyces.

john  wrote:
>Hi Richard,
>
>Lepechinia fragrans does not occur in eastern Oregon! Does she know of a
>nursery out there? Do you have any accurate collection data and/or
>description of the seed(Is it round and about the size of a BB-1/8th
>inch diameter)? This would would help some...

It's so nice of you to send my query on to someone else!   But why does he
want to know about a nursery? 

Julie  wrote:
>If it's from a wet spot, Mimulus lewisii is a possibility--sticky, stinky,
>with bright pink flowers.

Richard Dufresne  wrote:
>Susannah:
>
>Mimulus lewisii will be a more delicate plant than Lepechina fragrans.  The
>dominant difference is the huge calyx of the latter, along with its fairly
>thick, woody stems.  The Mimulus allso has smaller, thinner leaves.  The
>calyx of the Mimulus is a typical Scroph, which forms a capsule, containing
>many small tan seeds; the style is persistent, unlike those of the
>Lamiaceae.   Lepechina seeds come four to a calyx, and are really achenes,
>one seeded fruit.  In Lepechina, these are usually shiny black, and about 1
>mm wide.  
>
>The main problem with most web images is that there is no scale to give an
>idea of the size of the flowers.  I have a scan of the related Lepechina
>calycina that I can send as a JPG attachment with a scale.

That might help :-).
Thanks again, all.

 -- Susannah
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