Re: Salvia major & grandiflora
- Subject: Re: Salvia major & grandiflora
- From: Richard Dufresne s*@infi.net
- Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:26:22 -0400
At 02:21 PM 9/9/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Richard - I agree your explanation is more than possible - but taking S.
>major at face value it seems that it does/did at one time and at least in
>one sense 'exist'. IPNI has the following entry:
>
>Labiatae Salvia major Garsault
>Fig. Pl. Anim. Med. t. 510 a (1764); Descr. Pl. Anim. 305 (1767); Thell.
>inBull. Herb. Boiss. Ser. II. viii. 905.
>
>Original Data
>Notes: S. grandiflora
>
>Trouble is, as I think I said in first message, when you try to chase S.
>grandiflora you get into an even bigger tangle, bouncing between alternative
>names like some out of his head dodgem rider...
>
>If nothing more definite transpires on the name front, I'll wait until the
>brute flowers, which should help narrow down the options.
>
>Best wishes,
>Tim
Tim & Jon:
Here is what I came up with on Salvia grandiflora:
Salvia grandiflora definitions
grandiflora subsp. aegaea (Bornm.) Rech. fil. tomentosa Flora of Turkey, 7
grandiflora subsp. rotundifolia (Vis.) Rech. fil. tomentosa Flora of Turkey, 7
grandiflora var. cuneata Post aramiensis Flora of Turkey, 7
grandiflora var. cuneata Post ------- Flora of Syria, Palestine, and Sinai
grandiflora var. rotundifolia (Vis.) Boiss. ------- Flora of Syria,
Palestine, and Sinai
grandiflora var. vestita Bornm. ------- Flora of Syria, Palestine, and Sinai
grandiflora Etlinger ------- Flora Europea
grandiflora Etling. tomentosa Flora of Turkey, 7
grandiflora Etling. ------- Flora of USSR
grandiflora Etling ------- Flora of Syria, Palestine, and Sinai
grandifolia W. Smith ------- Flora of China, 17
grandiflora Sessé & Moc. fulgens, cardinalis, or gesneraeflora A Revision of
Salvia, subgenus Calosphace (Carl Epling)
grandiflora Neé patens A Revision of Salvia, subgenus Calosphace (Carl Epling)
azurea var. grandiflora Benth. azurea subsp. Pitcheri A Revision of Salvia,
subgenus Calosphace (Carl Epling)
Salvia grandiflora Etlinger, defined in 1777, is now S. tomentosa. and S.
grandifolia W. Smith, defined in 1916, is the accurately defined usage.
Flora of Syria, Palestine, and Sinai by Post is an old reference.
I see no mention of Salvia major in any of the references. In the Catalogue
Synonymique des Salvia L. du Monde by Gabriel Alziar, he gives Salvia major
as varieties of mexicana and runcinata, an as a cultivar of coccinea. He
does not refer to Salvia major Garsault, Fig. Pl. Anim. Med. t. 510 a
(1764); Descr. Pl. Anim. 305 (1767); Thell., in Bull. Herb. Boiss. Ser. II.
viii. 905
Salvia grandiflora Etlinger: De Salvia 17 (1777)
Salvia grandifolia W. Smith: Notes Roy. Bot. Gard. Edinburgh 9: 123 (1916)
I have not been to the IPNI site yet.
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