RE: Angelica gigas; eupatorium 'Gateway'

Claire,
 I had no idea there was such variation in the 'Gateways'.  I will look at
mine much closer and try to match it to your description of the "real one".
I bought mine as a large field grown specimen from a local grower and was
just struck by the beauty of it.  I have it in a border where most
everything is big and bold and it certainly can hold its own.
	I envy your visit to Northhill Garden.  I have seen it on Victory Garden
and in lots of books and magazines and have heard the owners speak here at
seminars, but there is nothing like a personal visit to see it all with your
own eyes :).
Marilyn Dube'
Natural Designs Nursery
Portland, Oregon


-----Original Message-----
From:	owner-perennials@mallorn.com [owner-perennials@mallorn.com] On
Behalf Of ECPep@aol.com
Sent:	Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:08 PM
To:	perennials@mallorn.com
Subject:	Re: Angelica gigas; eupatorium 'Gateway'

In a message dated 4/17/01 10:35:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mygarden@easystreet.com writes:


I have seen Eupatorium 'Gateway' with large globe shaped flowers on stalks
around five feet tall.  I have also seen what is sold as "Gateway' look
quite
different, taller, flat headed flower umbels, shorter and smaller flowers.

This is a native plant which grows in my area plentifully in swampy ditches.
I have two 'Gateway' plants purchased at different places and neither is
much
showier than the native which grows closeby in our pond.

I first saw the hybrid in Vermont at the Northhill Garden.  We were so
surprised at the size of the bloom.  Someone could not help but ask, "what
are feeding that plant".  A lot us bought 'Gateway' on the way home and I
don't know anyone who has a plant as spectacular as Northhill.  The only
advice they could offer was that it improved if not moved or divided for
many
years and that, of course, it needs lots of water.

If anyone notices catalog language that states they are handling the real
'Gateway' , I would like to know.  The orginal 'Gateway' had rounded, globe
shaped immense blooms.  Most of what is sold today looks pretty much like
the
native which is also quite nice but not the hybrid 'Gateway'.

Claire Peplowski
NYS z4

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