> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:22 +0000
> From: llmen@wi.rr.com
> To: perennials@hort.net
> Subject: Re: Japanese Maple query
> CC: aete@northnet.org
>
> If you are fortunate enough to find someone's discarded Christmas tree, I'd think that evergreen boughs would work well.
>
> Don Martinson
>
>
> ---- Alyce Elliott <aete@northnet.org> wrote:
> > Lil, the only thing light enough not to crush
> > those roots, that I can think of, is mulch. To
> > hold the mulch in place, you can put milk bottles
> > filled with water around the area first, then
> > fill with a light mulch. Maybe someone can think
> > of something better than the milk bottles (my
> > ground is frozen solid so I'd have to use something above ground.)
> > Zone 4 northern NY
> >
> > At 09:13 AM 1/15/2012, you wrote:
> > >Hi Nancy - I never had a problem with the
> > >porcelain vine getting out of control. Every 2 -
> > >3 years I'd get a couple of seedlings but never
> > >enough to cause any problem - they were easy to yank out.
> > >
> > >I keep looking out my window at a poor dwarf
> > >Japanese Maple (Baby Lace) I planted last
> > >summer. I actually took the time to wrap it for
> > >its first year. Somehow the wind has knocked it
> > >over, and its lying on an angle with part of the
> > >root exposed. I don't dare touch it as I'd be
> > >sure to snap roots. The burlap seems to cover
> > >the exposed bits. Wonder if there is any chance
> > >of survival? Spent over 100.00 on this little one -
> > >
> > >Lil T.
> > >Georgetown ON
> > >Z5
> > >
> > >
> > >----------
> > >From: robyn82@bellsouth.net
> > >To: perennials@hort.net
> > >Subject: Re: Ideas for an arbor
> > >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:44:57 -0500
> > >
> > >Hi, all. Just wondered if the porcelain vine is
> > >invasive that far up north. It is in
> > >Tennessee. The Akepia filled up 7 truck loads
> > >and still is running around on the mountain
> > >side. It is not making seed but the vines were
> > >going across the creek and I could see it taking
> > >over a mountain side in 15 years.
> > >My native honeysuckles would fill an arbor and
> > >not be too heavy. Also have a white jasmine
> > >that is hardy here to 0. It just does not grow
> > >fast enough to make a nice screen though.
> > >I can see we are all dreaming about planting
> > >something....anything now. Got all those evergreens to get out soon, myself.
> > >Nancy Tennessee
> > >Original Message -----
> > >From: <mailto:liltovey@hotmail.com>lil tovey
> > >To: <mailto:perennials@hort.net>Perennials @ hortnet
> > >Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:30 PM
> > >Subject: RE: Ideas for an arbor
> > >
> > >I agree about the porcelain vine. I had one at
> > >my last house, and the variegation was great,
> > >and then the bonus of those wonderful coloured
> > >berries each fall. It was a favourite. Took a
> > >couple of years to get established but did
> > >perfectly fine. Was mostly shade and didn't seem
> > >to mind at all. Hmmm - now that I have a very
> > >tiny garden, maybe it can be a "vertical Interest"
> > >
> > >Lil Taggart
> > >Georgetown ON
> > >z 5
> > >
> > >
> > >----------
> > >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 12:10:47 -0500
> > >To: perennials@hort.net
> > >From: aete@northnet.org
> > >Subject: Re: Ideas for an arbor
> > >
> > >Don, one of my favorite vines:
> > >
> > >Ampelopsis brevipedunculata var. maximowiczii
> > >'Elegans', which I simply call my porcelain berry.
> > >
> > >I grow this on an arbor at the entrance of my
> > >front walk here in northern NY zone 4, though it
> > >is a zone 5--9 plant (I live right next to a
> > >river). The leaves are gorgeous, variegated,
> > >deeply cut. The small greenish-white flowers
> > >are attractive. The berries are amazing but not
> > >as nice as they'd be with more sun than they get
> > >here. Grows 10--20 feet, but only about 12'
> > >here. Having said all that, I'm sure this vine
> > >would be even happier in your zone 5. It gets
> > >started later than the kiwi vine across from it
> > >(which also gets some white and pink in its leaves.)
> > >
> > >Replying to your 5 points:
> > >1. I love the look of your non-'chateau'! Might
> > >it be an old Queen Anne Victorian?
> > >
> > >2 & 3. My arbor has the same aspect as yours,
> > >but it does not have a house right behind it. I
> > >have the following quote copied to my porcelain
> > >berry culture sheet: "An attractive variegated
> > >form with white and pink splashes on the leaves,
> > >tends to not fruit as well as the type and is
> > >less vigorous." So far the kiwi has reached up
> > >and across the top of the arbor while the
> > >porcelain berry is just beginning to reach
> > >over. The kiwi takes constant pruning, the
> > >porcelain berry only needs directing.
> > >
> > >4 & 5. I've never had Akebia so can't compare it
> > >to Ampelopsis. I have Campsis, Celastrus,
> > >various Clematis, Lonicera, Hydrangea
> > >petiolaris, Euonymous -- and the Ampelopsis is
> > >one of my favorites. Hmm, maybe there's a
> > >Clematis viticella for your situation? I have a
> > >C. Hagley Hybrid that faces north on the front
> > >of a pavilion and has done great for years,
> > >(unlike some of my clematis) however, it may not
> > >grow high enough for your situation -- 8-10'.
> > >6. My "less vigorous" Ampelopsis etc. 'Elegans'
> > >can take far colder temps than what is listed.
> > >
> > >Let us know what you finally choose! Hope we see a finished-project photo.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >Alyce Elliott
> > >near Oxbow, northern NY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 04:24 PM 1/10/2012, you wrote:
> > >I came upon the following photo from a catalog:
> > >
> > ><http://www.tinyurl.com/7olll9t>http://www.tinyurl.com/7olll9t
> > >
> > >
> > >This gave me an idea to create an arbor over my
> > >rear door and small deck (the black lines are for reference only):
> > >
> > ><http://www.tinyurl.com/6vw2kre>http://www.tinyurl.com/6vw2kre
> > >
> > >Issues (construction and materials aside):
> > >
> > >1. Obviously, I don't happen to own a chateau at the moment.
> > >
> > >2. The deck faces a direction which is
> > >approximately East-Northeast and only receives a
> > >bit of morning sun, although plants on the deck
> > >seem to do relatively well as it is a bright shade.
> > >
> > >3. The small patch of open ground (indicated on
> > >the second photo) gets no sun at all, and so
> > >whatever I plant won't get ANY direct sunlight
> > >until it gets above the level of the deck.
> > >
> > >4. I'm thinking some sort of perennial vine,
> > >probably woody, but not so rampant that it will
> > >require constant pruning (so, no Wisteria or
> > >Vitis). I’d consider Akebia quinata , but I
> > >already have 2 of those (purple and white), and
> > >they do quite well along the north side of my house.
> > >
> > >5. I’d consider other species of Akebia if they
> > >would look a bit different (trifoliata?) or even
> > >the variegated A. quinata (does anyone know of a
> > >source of a nice clone of this)?
> > >
> > >6. I live in Milwaukee (Zone 5) and despite our
> > >very mild winter so far, we can normally expect
> > >temps down to –10F (-25C) or even lower.
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> > >
> > >
> > >Don Martinson
> > >Wauwatosa, WI 53213
> > >[]
> > >
> > >Supporting the Organization for Tropical Studies
> > >
>
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