Re: AG thoughts

In some cases you are right and in other cases the greatness keeps going even if you continue selfing or sibbing. One advantage with selfing is that isolating positive traits might be easier and faster. Also a great way to preserve genes of those hard to get seeds.
 
I don't kow if Joe Ailts is still on this list, but he might like to jump in one this one. He presented some time ago a pretty good paper discussing hybrid vigor, isolating genes, etc.
 
PS...the 1062 is selfed (purposely) ... part of a 2-3 year plan. We shall see.
 
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Envoyé : 13 November, 2001 9:45 AM
Objet : Re: AG thoughts

Rock:
Looking at your list of examples, it seems that a outcross is required re second generation
to get to the big one in most cases. Selfed not that great, next generation with outcross real
good, following generation throwing real well. Correct me if I'm wrong. See I said we will all learn
from this discussion.
At 08:58 PM 11/13/01 , you wrote:
 
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...
Maybe the selfing will increase the color, shape ect. but I really
believe it hurts size & is this not what we are hunting for in this sport. How many
selfed has grown big ones.?????
There are many examples out there that prove that selfing has and does work (size, shape AND color). Here are a few examples that prove it. This info was taken from the AGGC database and contains only 900+ fruit that grew from a selfed seed.


FRUIT

SEED

CROSS (mother seed)

COMMENT

1090 Weir

490 Donkers

990 Bax x self

490 has grown many 700+

1036.5 Kline

968 Sproule

690 Sproule x self

968 has grown a few big ones..also some green ones

978.5 Lloyd

650 Lloyd

752.8 Craven x self

The 978 has grown a couple 800+

975.6 Gervais

1092 Burke

935 Lloyd x self

The 1092 has grown 7 700+, and the 975.6 has grown a 800+

975 Zehr

914 Weir

792 Holland x self

975 has grown a 1000+, 914 has grown many big ones as well and is grandma to many big ones.

968 Stellpflug

1009.5 Eaton

946.5 Geerts x sib

Sibbed not selfed. 1009.5 has grown 4 700+

962 Willemse

706.5 Willemse

724 Willemse x self

962 is the result of 4 generations of selfing !

945.5 Dejong

836 Craven

827 Holland x self

836 has grown 3 800+

935 Lloyd

875 Lloyd

687 Lloyd

935 speaks for itself&one of the best seeds ever.

900.5 Lyons*

724 Willemse

573 McCahill x self

900.5 has grown a 1000+, and is in the parentage of other 1000+. It's also the result of 3 generations of selfing !
I think its safe to say that selfing works. Might or might not be the best route (not for me to make that call), but definitely a good and proven alternative. It does work.
Rock





Thanks,
Bill Van Iderstine
P.E.I. Record Holder @ 945 lbs. 2001

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