In a message dated 98-06-16 21:41:53 EDT, you write: << << C. simplex ramosa. >> Aha!! Maybe I wasn't wrong after all. The description of C. ramosa sounded a lot like simplex!! >> C. ramosa grows to 6-7' tall; C. simplex is the lesser of all of the other C. as it grows to around 4'. The leaves of simplex are rather small and divided. The leaves of C. ramosa are large and very divided. PS z5b