Re: invasives

Crape myrtles invasive??  do tell.

On 1/8/08, Zemuly Sanders <zemuly@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> How awful!  I dread the day a house is built in the hayfield across the
> street from my house.  The upside is I am the vice-chairman of our
> historic
> zoning board, and our entire town is on the National Register of Historic
> Places.
> zem
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daryl" <pulis@mindspring.com>
> To: "gardenchat" <gardenchat@hort.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [CHAT] invasives
>
>
> >I remember driving outside of London (never got into the city itself) and
> > seeing Buddleias everywhere there was untended land.  They were
> apparently
> > having a real problem with them on railroad beds too, and when trains
> went
> > over, could ignite.
> >
> > I'm definitely with you on residential developments. We've been in one
> of
> > the fastest growing areas for years, and sometimes made number one on
> the
> > list. There's a C-store where I used to look out my window at cows and
> > ponies. :-(
> >
> > d
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Zemuly Sanders" <zemuly@comcast.net>
> > To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [CHAT] invasives
> >
> >
> >>I do know that Buddleias are considered weeds in Britain, at least the
> >>area
> >>around London.  I guess my problem is that so often lists of invasives
> are
> >>so generalized that they include plants that are not a problem all over.
> >>I
> >>wish Box Elder trees were placed on a "destroy on sight" list here.  I
> >>must
> >>pull out many hundreds of seedlings every year.  I also wish residential
> >>developments were placed on the invasive list.  They are destroying all
> >>our
> >>natural beauty, IMHO, not to mention the animals whose habitats are
> being
> >>destroyed.
> >> zem
> >> zone 7
> >> West TN
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <pulis@mindspring.com>
> >> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:42 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [CHAT] invasives
> >>
> >>
> >>> No, I haven't, but I will ask the library to get it for me on
> >>> inter-library loan.
> >>>
> >>> While it is true that in many countries, plants have traveled freely,
> >>> there are still many parts of the world that have been relatively
> >>> (emphasize Relatively) free from intrusion. Some of these have
> extremely
> >>> tight import restrictions and eradication programs today.
> >>>
> >>> I hope that Ms. Baskins distinguishes between  "native" and
> >>> "naturalized." Some of our common weeds were brought here by the
> >>> colonists for food or as medicinals. As such, they've been here for a
> >>> long time. That doesn't mean that they're not changing, or even
> >>> damaging,
> >>> local ecology.
> >>> Privet, one of our most expensive and damaging pests, was in this
> >>> country
> >>> by the mid-1800's . It was first noticed as a pest in 1950, and now is
> >>> costing millions of dollars per year in removal costs. It severely
> >>> damages the eco-system around woodland streams, and its removal is not
> >>> only difficult, but wholesale removal leaves streambanks in danger of
> >>> erosion, with severe sedimentation downstream.
> >>>
> >>> Don't get me wrong. I'm not a "natives-only" nut, but I think we all
> >>> need
> >>> to be more aware of the potential for some plants to get out of
> control,
> >>> and to educate ourselves about the habitats that can be damaged by our
> >>> choices. I used to pooh-pooh the invasive plants lists until I
> >>> discovered
> >>> how plants travel, and that they're tied more to the site than the
> >>> state.
> >>>
> >>> I'm betting that Callery (Bradford-type) Pears and Crapemyrtles will
> be
> >>> the next big pests in my part of the world. Chinese Hollies and
> Eleagnus
> >>> are starting to pop up everywhere, too, in addition to the
> >>> before-mentioned Nandinas and Mahonias. Duchesne and Japanese Bamboo
> >>> Grass (Microstegium- not Bambusa) are also a threat. Buddleias weren't
> a
> >>> problem until a couple of years ago. They're starting to spread, too.
> >>> And
> >>> then there's Ivy...
> >>>
> >>> d
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Andrea Hodges" <andreah@hargray.com>
> >>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 11:54 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] invasives
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Daryl-have you read "A Plague of Rats and Rubbervines" by Yvonne
> >>>> Baskins? It's one of my assigned readings for my oral defense. LONG
> >>>> book
> >>>> but interesting so far. I had no idea that pretty much very little in
> >>>> most countries is a true native for centuries past.
> >>>> A
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Daryl" <pulis@mindspring.com>
> >>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 6:51 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Lonicera fragrantissima
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>A common misconception is that invasive plants are only invasive in
> an
> >>>>>area immediately surrounding them. This is rarely the case. Nandina
> and
> >>>>>Mahonia and Callery Pears are popping up all through the woodlands of
> >>>>>Georgia, and even plague my landscape. They're all escapees from
> >>>>>landscape plantings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Many people think of Kudzu as being the premier invasive. It's not
> >>>>> nearly as bad as those plants that have berries or seeds that the
> >>>>> birds
> >>>>> eat spread like a metastatic cancer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some plants do both, of course -think of Japanese Honeysuckle and
> >>>>> Privet and Oriental Bittersweet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We don't always see where they're going, since many of them need
> >>>>> disturbed soil in which to take root, and that soil may be many
> miles
> >>>>> away.  Some need the moisture  provided near creeks, and often pop
> up
> >>>>> along streams in the woods, far from where we see them. Others may
> be
> >>>>> held in check by local climate conditions, but take over when spread
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> other areas.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> d  (Member of the Georgia Exotic Pest Plant Council and instructor
> on
> >>>>> Invasives and Their Control).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Zemuly Sanders" <zemuly@comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:15 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Lonicera fragrantissima
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Apparently that's not happening here.  The plant I got mine from is
> >>>>>> ancient and only has suckers as far as the branches extend, which
> is
> >>>>>> about 10-12 feet.  Sometimes I think the plant police get a little
> >>>>>> hysterical. I've never heard of it being considered a pest in this
> >>>>>> part of the state.
> >>>>>> zem
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Daryl" <pulis@mindspring.com>
> >>>>>> To: <gardenchat@hort.net>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 8:46 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [CHAT] Lonicera fragrantissima
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You should know that this plant is considered a pest in many parts
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the country, including Tennessee. I've never seen a berry on mine,
> >>>>>>> but I've kept an eye out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> U.S. Weed Information:
> >>>>>>> Lonicera fragrantissima Lindl. & Paxton
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> January jasmine
> >>>>>>> sweet breath-of-spring
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This plant can be weedy or invasive according to the authoritative
> >>>>>>> sources noted below. This plant may be known by one or more common
> >>>>>>> names in different places, and some are listed above. Click on an
> >>>>>>> acronym to view each weed list, or click here for a composite list
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> Weeds of the U.S.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>      SEEPPC        Southeast Exotic Pest Plant Council. 1996.
> >>>>>>> Invasive exotic pest plants in Tennessee (19 October 1999).
> Research
> >>>>>>> Committee of the Tennessee Exotic Pest Plant Council. Tennessee.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> d
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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Pam Evans
Kemp TX
zone 8A

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