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I finally heard back from Lijit.com people and they usually want at
least 20 blogs in a network but said they would work with us with as
few as eight. I have 4 (including me) from this list that said they
want to be in...Anybody else? I need four more for lijit to work with
us. Step right up and enter the circus tent... When I get four more we
will all work on the title as to what to call this thing...
Tom Alexander
tom at growingedge.com
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> 4. commercial blogs and other commercial writing (MARY FRAN MCQUADE)
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> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:47:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: "N. Ondra" <fels1645@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] gardenwriters Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
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> A new batch of messages. I was just getting ready to write to Doug
> Green when I read his retraction below.
>
> An insight I've gotten out of the whole "commercialized blogs"
> thing: Apparently the perception of Garden Rant being commercialized
> wasn't due to the ads they have as much as they kind of stuff they
> write about (Amy and her books, for example, and the many product-
> related posts, and their overall self-promotion). Interesting that
> at least a few people notice that.
>
> Nan
>
>
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> ? 2. winter fun on Garden Rant (C.L. Fornari)
> ? 3. Re: blog network - advertising etc (Doug Green)
> ? 4. Re: Is Your Blog Commercial? (Yvonne Cunnington)
> ? 5. Re: Company ghost-bloggers (Susan Harris)
> ? 6. Re: Is Your Blog Commercial? (frielster@aol.com)
> ? 7. Re: Is Your Blog Commercial? (KTCopsey@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:39:16 EST
> From: WGardenermag@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
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> In a message dated 3/3/2009 9:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> KTCopsey@aol.com writes:
>
>>> but some also come across as? being
> the personal blog? of the site owner,...<<
>
>
> Good for you Kate getting so much online writing work! I think you
> are a?
> pioneer in that respect.
>
> This last kind of blog writing you mentioned though rubs me the
> wrong way? --
> something about a ghost-written personal blog is just not ethically
> cool with
> me as a reader and blog poster. Hiring someone else to write your
> own blog?
> supposedly coming from your voice is deceptive and kinda creepy,
> IMHO. If? you
> found out that a blog you were following by A was written by D, how
> would?
> you react? What do others think on this?
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathy Jentz
> Editor/Publisher
> Washington? Gardener Magazine
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:06:55 -0500
> From: "C.L. Fornari" <clfornari@mail.com>
> Subject: [GWL] winter fun on Garden Rant
> To: "Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum"
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> Are you avoiding a deadline and looking for a diversion?? Write
> something for the 99 word Garden Fiction contest at Garden Rant:
> http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=53456503089&h=l2FWX&u=7lPGp?
> A good exercise in how many extra words we use.? It reminds me of a
> "Six Word Story" piece that was in a local magazine a couple years
> ago. People were asked to write a six word story - the master
> example being Hemingway's "Baby shoes for sale. Never worn."? Hard
> to beat...impossible, probably. My contribution was this: "Weeds? Of
> course! Gardeners cultivate life."?
>
> C.L.
> www.gardenlady.com
> blog www.wholelifegardening.com
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 09:49:34 -0500
> From: Doug Green <deegeeguy@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] blog network - advertising etc
> To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
> ??? <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I've just had an offer I can't refuse to work in another adventure.?
> So I'm
> not going to have the time to put together a network of blogs for
> increasing
> traffic or income for other bloggers.? My apologies to? those? who
> replied.
> Let me suggest you check out lijit.com? if you're interested in
> doing it
> yourselves.
>
> best
>
> Doug
>
>
> --
> Doug Green @douggreen
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>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:21:56 -0500
> From: "Yvonne Cunnington" <ycunnington@ispnet.ca>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
> To: "'Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum'"
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> Kathy Jentz wrote: This last kind of blog writing you mentioned
> though rubs
> me the wrong way? --
> something about a ghost-written personal blog is just not ethically
> cool
> with
> me as a reader and blog poster. Hiring someone else to write your
> own blog
>
> supposedly coming from your voice is deceptive and kinda creepy,
> IMHO. If
> you
> found out that a blog you were following by A was written by D, how
> would?
> you react? What do others think on this?
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> __
>
>
> Good lord, when you're running a real business like a garden center,
> you
> don't have time to D-I-Y everything. So why not hire a blog writer,
> esp. for
> the how-to-garden type articles? There's such anti-business tone
> here that
> rubs me the wrong way at times.
>
> Yvonne Cunnington
> Web: http://www.flower-gardening-made-easy.com/
> Blog:? http://countrygardener.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:58:04 -0500
> From: "Susan Harris" <harristakoma@erols.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Company ghost-bloggers
> To: "Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum"
> ??? <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <000f01c99ce2$015465a0$640fa8c0@Rantbox>
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>
> I suspect the type of ghost-written blog that Kathy Jentz finds
> objectionable is the kind that deliberately deceives the reader,
> which is
> also a turn-off to me.? One garden show has their bloggers pretend
> to be
> actual people with actual lives that are far from the truth - for
> example,
> asking me to write a blog pretending to be a much younger writer in
> another
> part of the country (not naming names, but it really happens.)? I
> see a
> similar objection to dishonest Twittering by the staff of P. Allen
> Smith in
> Robin Wedewer's newest Examiner post:
> http://www.examiner.com/x-346-Gardening-Examiner~y2009m3d2-Dont-be-
> fooled-by-P-Allen-Smiths-fake-witter-persona
>
> On the other hand, I'm fine with businesses hiring a blogger/writer
> to write
> for them in the corporate "we", without identifying themselves by
> name,
> which is no different from company communications in other media
> that we're
> used to.? I prefer knowing the identity of the blog-writer, just
> like I do
> with personal blogs, but that's just a factor in my choice of which
> ones I
> read.? Susan
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:01:12 -0500
> From: frielster@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
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>
> I think ghost writing is a time-honored tradition and honorable
> work. Kinda fun, too. A form of acting.
> To answer the other question: If I learned that A's prose was really
> penned (or keyed) by D or Q, it wouldn't reduce my enjoyment of said
> prose. Might change my opinion of A, but good writing is good
> writing and useful information is useful information. I'm not a
> personality cult type. I might lust after, say, Dave Barry's job,
> but not his life.
> JF
>
>
>
>
> From: WGardenermag@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2009 9:56:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> KTCopsey@aol.com writes:
>
>>> but some also come across as? being
> the personal blog? of the site owner,...<<
>
>
> something about a ghost-written personal blog is just not ethically
> cool with
> me as a reader and blog poster. Hiring someone else to write your
> own blog?
> supposedly coming from your voice is deceptive and kinda creepy,
> IMHO. If? you
> found out that a blog you were following by A was written by D, how
> would?
> you react? What do others think on this?
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathy Jentz
> Editor/Publisher
> Washington? Gardener Magazine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:55:54 EST
> From: KTCopsey@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <d31.4b5f2ec8.36e01aaa@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> OK - maybe you interpreted that as 'personal' blogs that I write for
> other?
> sites - no, no no!!! These are for small landscape people who just
> have a
> modest? site, with some entries, not the personal type, but general
> gardening type.
> But? it is linked to as a blog for the site.
> This is an example:
>
> _http://www.botanicaatlanta.com/index.htm_
> (http://www.botanicaatlanta.com/index.htm)?
>
> I hope to goodness this doesn't count as creepy!!!!
>
>
> Kate? Copsey
> Garden Writer
> _www.katecopsey.com_ (http://www.katecopsey.com/)?
> _http://www.examiner.com/x-1321-Atlanta-Gardening-Examiner_
> (http://www.examiner.com/x-1321-Atlanta-Gardening-Examiner)
> _www.katesgardenjournal.com_ (http://www.katesgardenjournal.com/)?
>
>
> In a message dated 3/4/2009 10:09:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
> WGardenermag@aol.com writes:
>
> This? last kind of blog writing you mentioned though rubs me the
> wrong way?
> --?
> something about a ghost-written personal blog is just not ethically
> cool?
> with
> me as a reader and blog poster. Hiring someone else to write your
> own? blog?
> supposedly coming from your voice is deceptive and kinda? creepy,
> IMHO. If?
> you
> found out that a blog you were following by A? was written by D, how
> would?
> you react? What do others think on? this?
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:52:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: Barbara Martin <cottagegardenpro@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] Is Your Blog Commercial?
> To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
> <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>, Susan Harris
> <harristakoma@erols.com>
> Message-ID: <288329.65410.qm@web50212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> Hi Susan!
>
> Clarify what I meant by that? Well, I can try.
>
> Noted the word rant, read the manifesto, checked the bios, saw logo
> merchandise and ads, read some posts. In that context, piecing
> things together, it?s clearly, overtly a commercial project with a
> stated bias. Crossed my mind it?s possibly groundwork for an on-line
> gardening magazine or membership site. Regardless, it?s great
> publicity for the writers.
>
> Every publication -- including a blog -- uses editorial guidelines,
> implicit and/or explicit, and filters its content accordingly. (It?s
> unavoidable if you have a point of view.) So I take just about
> everything I read, be it a homespun blog or a national newspaper or
> something in between, with a grain of salt. Isn?t that what informed
> consumers are supposed to do?
>
> I am grateful that the internet offers such a wide open venue for
> writers in this extraordinary and exciting time. Every blogger is a
> brave pioneer working in uncharted territory. I think you four are
> doing just fine at whatever it is that you are doing and I certainly
> wish you the best of success with it.
>
> If you are not satisfied with my impression or assessment of the
> blog or how I expressed my feeling or opinion about it, or if I
> still haven?t made myself clear, I?m sorry. Between this and what I
> explained yesterday about my personal criteria for commercial blogs,
> I?m not sure what else I can tell you.
>
> Barbara Martin
> http://reptitude.com/
>
> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Susan Harris <harristakoma@erols.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Susan Harris <harristakoma@erols.com>
>>
>> Barbara: Speaking as a GardenRanter, now I'm confused.
>> If this is your concluding remark about commercial blogs:
>> "As far as a blog being more or less commercialized,
>> there is no value judgment intended as to good or bad."
>> then I don't understand this concluding remark in your
>> original message about us: "I also feel it is a highly
>> commercialized blog and discount it accordingly. Call me
>> cynical. Cheers!"
>> Can you clarify? Susan
>> _______________________
>> www.gardenrant.com
>> www.sustainablegardeningblog.com
>> www.sustainable-gardening.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:54:13 -0800 (PST)
> From: "N. Ondra" <fels1645@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] gardenwriters Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <559481.6246.qm@web36107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Oh, yikes. Smack me for hitting "reply" instead of "forward." No
> offense meant to the team at Garden Rant, of course! We do plenty of
> our own self-promotion at Gardening Gone Wild. I was puzzled at
> where the perception that they were "commercialized" was coming
> from. If they are, then I guess we are too.
>
> And apologies for not deleting the rest of the digest stuff.
> Obviously I would have done that if I'd *meant* to post to the whole
> list.
>
> Nan Ondra
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:58:12 +0000
> From: "MARY FRAN MCQUADE" <mfmcq@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [GWL] commercial blogs and other commercial writing
> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
> Message-ID: <COL0-F26E081E52CD287DEFE90E8C5A70@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> I've been reading everyone's comments on this subject with interest.
> The
> discussion touches on another question that I've been trying to
> resolve.
>
> I often see garden products, garden centres, gardening services,
> etc., that
> REALLY need help with their communications. And I know I could help
> them
> (for a fee, of course).
>
> BUT I wonder, if I do writing projects for commercial interests like
> these,
> would this be seen as a conflict of interest for me as an
> independent garden
> writer? Would it jeopardize my credibility as a feature writer or
> columnist,
> say?
>
> As a garden journalist, I feel I probably shouldn't also work for
> gardening
> businesses. On the other hand, it's pretty hard to make a living as an
> independent!
>
> Am I splitting hairs here? Being too precious about ethics? I'd
> really like
> to hear others' opinions. (Do be kind, tho. A tough winter and tough
> economy
> have left me feeling kinda tender, like some of my poor perennials.)
>
> Mary Fran
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 11:05:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Elizabeth Licata <ealicata@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [GWL] gardenwriters Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
> To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum
> <gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Message-ID: <768379.67572.qm@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> Hi Nan,
>
> No offense taken--at all. As you mention, the majority of the garden
> blogs I read do all the things you list. So I guess we're all
> "commercial."
>
>> From the start of this whole dialogue--and you are coming in at the
>> tail end of it--the word commercial" has never been specifically
>> defined. It has just been randomly applied to a whole range of
>> items and strategies that one finds on blogs and websites. For
>> example, it's been cited as evidence of this that Garden Rant uses
>> the word "rant" and has a manifesto. What is commercial about that?
>> I just don't get how the word is being used here, so I'm not
>> finding any of this terribly illuminating.
>
> But it doesn't need to be. We're just talking, which is what a
> listserv is for!
>
> Best,
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, N. Ondra <fels1645@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: N. Ondra <fels1645@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [GWL] gardenwriters Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
>> To: gardenwriters@lists.ibiblio.org
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:54 PM
>> Oh, yikes. Smack me for hitting "reply" instead of
>> "forward." No offense meant to the team at Garden
>> Rant, of course! We do plenty of our own self-promotion at
>> Gardening Gone Wild. I was puzzled at where the perception
>> that they were "commercialized" was coming from.
>> If they are, then I guess we are too.
>>
>> And apologies for not deleting the rest of the digest
>> stuff. Obviously I would have done that if I'd *meant*
>> to post to the whole list.
>>
>> Nan Ondra
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