Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
iris@hort.net
  • Subject: Re: Re: HYB: breeding strategies
  • From: t*@cs.com
  • Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 10:04:07 -0400 (EDT)
Hi Linda,


i have  planted 'Belvi Queen' here this summer,  it is blooming now!


i don't want to waste such good genes and i intend to use next spring the
pollen i have just frozen.
i know it's shape is very retro...so i've got a trick up my sleeve:


i will  cross it with  modern reblooming SDBs and with modern reblooming IBs!


The babies should be faster growers than TB X TB..
Then i will use them with TBs (the crosses involving SDBs only as pod
parents).




 i know the F1 will look terrible, but it will be over soon, and the F2 will
come faster than if i had stuck to TBs only.


What do you think?


Loic



-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Mann <lmann@lock-net.com>
To: iris <iris@hort.net>
Sent: Thu, Nov 3, 2011 8:10 am
Subject: Re: [iris] Re: HYB: breeding strategies


I'm always on the lookout for more recent intros that will perform here
in the vale.  If they aren't fertile, it doesn't really matter how much
newer they are :-(  So I work with the "best", which aren't the most
recent.  Lots of  cycle (i.e., frozen here) rebloomers (dominant?) ,
I've found few that can rebloom in southeastern hot weather (recessive?).

Breeders repeatedly say to breed the best to the best - & the best "A"'s
here are, by far, IMM, (ick) BELVI QUEEN, and (double ick) AUTUMN
TWILIGHT.  Thank goodness BQ hasn't been fertile for me ;-)  AT is
fertile, but so retro, I've only had the courage to make one cross with
it (RENOWN).  No rebloom.  UNBELIEVABLE LOVE has been a 'best' this
year, but has not been fertile here.  The A's I'm using were bred
especially to be tolerant of erratic freezes, the 'norm' here in the vale.

A=Always blooms, B=Beauty.

I just started buying a bunch of rebloomers the last couple of years. So
far, not much luck getting any of them to rebloom at all here, much less
summer bloom. RED ROCK CANYON is in the mix now, but it has those CA
rebloom genes - too soon to know how they combine with 'summer'
performers here.  Chuck says they won't provide rebloom, but I think
they might contribute next generation growth traits that will help here,
if not farther north.  I'd like to try growing your STEALTH FIGHTER
after seeing that photo of the nice rebloom stalk in NM? AZ?, but forgot
to get it this year.

I'm open to suggestions of other heat tolerant "summer" rebloomers to try.

On 11/2/2011 9:00 PM, J. Griffin Crump wrote:
> But why now go back to the 90s to regain rebloom?  Why not try working
> in some recently developed rebloomers?

Linda Mann east TN USA zone 7

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