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Hi Everyone,
First, let me state that I DO NOT think
that the Miami show should be changed in anyway! It was my first time
attending, and will do it again and again. I
remember reading Brian William's story about attending one year, and knew I had
to do it at least once. Now I'm hooked!
Regarding having another show in addition to the
Miami show. That is a monumental undertaking that I don't think
has really been explored beyond a pipe dream. Of course, it would be
wonderful to have a West Coast Show, but having been originally
a resident of California before moving to Hawaii 8 years ago and being in
the 'exotic plant business' since the mid '70s, I really don't think there
is that many people in California who grow tropical aroids compared to
Florida. One reason being, you must have a greenhouse to properly grow and
protect the plants from the cold and low humidity. California is a
desert. Utilities in California are extremely high (my reason for moving)
and for that reason many don't have a greenhouse, and if they do the, the
greenhouse tends to be a small orchid house that would be crowded if a couple of
good size aroids were placed inside.
FYI regarding sellers from out of state; I
have participated in many plant shows in California, coming from Hawaii.
There are a lot of misconceptions regarding this. Plants entering
California either need to come from a Certified Nursery, or need to be inspected
at the point of origin, and then again upon arrival in California. With
the proper paperwork, the second inspection (in California) is only a quick
inspection, usually involving only one or two of the plants of the
shipment. The Agricultural Dept. usually inspects at the show grounds or
at the shipping station. Boxes are stamped or marked externally to ID them
as containing plants for this purpose.
Plant sales in California are always filled with
sellers from other States, and Countries, and they are never
restricted as along as these guidelines are followed.
When I moved from California, I brought along 4
greenhouses full of plants all packed into 49 large boxes of varying sizes, 1
dog, 4 cats, and 12 parrots. I became very familiar with the USDA
requirements and I did it all legally, and had no problems doing
so.
Shipping the plants in for a show is just a part of
doing business and this extra cost is worked into the cost of the plant, as is
the price of the booth and any percentage charged by the society.
If plants brought in for the show are not
sold, they can be returned to their point of origin with their original
paperwork and a return entry form from the Dept of
Agri.
There is an annual International Fern and Exotic
Plant Show already in California at the Los Angeles Arboretum every summer, and
this has been going on for over 30 years. This show has judging and sales,
but has very little participation from aroids growers.
There is also an Anthurium Society here on Oahu
that has an annual show, but this club is primarily flower growers. The
fellow members always joke and ask me if my species are "really" Anthurium
too?
I think maybe it is best that we all contribute
this new found 'energy' into the Miami IAS Show, in anyway possible, and work
together for this show to continue and flourish.
Windy
----- Original Message -----
From:
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To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:58
AM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 2nd Annual Aroid
show? CA Imports
I would not like to see a west
coast aroid show instead of the Miami aroid show, but rather in
addition to. The answer here may be to have a show not in Calif but a
neighboring border state where such strict ag rules aren't present.
California aroid growers
can still get to the show with only a bit more
effort, and it makes the show more available to aroid enthusiasts a little
further east. I can't speak to the practicality or logistics of this,
but it does seem to solve the issues brought up regarding Calif ag laws.
I'm assuming a show in the west would be smaller than the Miami show
simply because most east coast growers would not
want to take on the costs
involved in shipping. That's OK, it would give west coast growers a
chance to show their stuff, which
they can't do at Miami for the very same
reason, shipment costs. There may be reasons why this doesn't work, I'm
just throwing this out as a thought. Are Calif ag laws just as strict on
outgoing material, which may hinder Calif growers getting plants to a border
state?
Russ
central Fla
Betsy Feuerstein wrote:
I suspect that few commercial growers are
willing to take the risk to ship into California without the paperwork with
all legalities on the dotted line. They have far too much to risk to take
this risk. I think Denis has already stated this in his comments about his
nursery. Now there may be some commercial growers out there who ship
into California on a regular basis but usually not on a large commercial
shipment level. It is one thing to send a box to CA and quite something else
to send boxes of plants on a commercial level. Also consider the cost of
sending such material all the way to CA from the east coast. Would people be
willing to pay the extra cost? Who would take that risk and who would put
that money up on the front end with little guarantee that there would not be
a loss. Denis has done this for years with the Miami show but I do not see
him with the added risks of a meeting elsewhere. I am playing the devil's
advocate but I do think you need to seriously contemplate the work, the
difficulties, and the financial aspects of doing any of this.
Betsy
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:41
PM
Subject: [Aroid-l] 2nd Annual Aroid show? CA
Imports
> Here's
what I know about plants into California . Plants brought as baggage
>
on an airline from anywhere in the U S A ( EXCEPT HI & they inspect at
the
> airport). no checking on anything except the TSA check @ the
airport of
> departure & they ain't looking for plants .
(ups has a no ask policy, it's
> up to you to know the rules
thing) plants shipped must be from an inspected
> nursery if they are
stated as plants on the box & this applies only to a
> few
states . Enid ships into CA all the time as do other Vendors . Windy
>
also ships into Ca from HI as do other vendors in HI , she is also
nursery
> inspected.. it's the nematode thing, plants must be grown on
benches out of
> contact with the soil & a soil less mix &/or
be bare root . Plants brought
> over the boarder in a private vehicle
there are no more stateline
> inspection stations ( Arnold S The GOV )
did away with them with budget
> cuts. Any pytosanitary doc's by the
USDA will be OK for bringing plants into
> CA.. now don't quote me on
this but this is what I have learned from
> importing, selling &
buying plants for years here in
California
>
>
-----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
>
On Behalf Of D. Christopher Rogers
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007
11:04 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 2nd
Annual Aroid show?
>
> I don't know about all the CA plant
restrictions. At the orchid shows, there
> are vendors and exhibitors
from all over the US (including Hawaii), Canada,
> Brazil, Ecuador,
Thailand and Singapore.
>
> Christopher
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On
Behalf Of Wayne
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:26 PM
>
To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 2nd Annual Aroid
show?
>
> California has so many regulations, that many events
have to be held across
> the border, in Las Vegas. Still very
convenient for the masses of people on
> the
> West Coast.
They have plenty of facilities for larger shows. I don't know
>
about Nevada plant regs.
>
> Wayne
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: "Denis Rotolante" <denis@skg.com>
> To:
"'Discussion of aroids'" <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 2nd
Annual Aroid show?
>
>
>> If somebody decides to do a
California show, the plants displayed and
>> sold will be mainly
California plants. California is very protective of
>> its plant
industry and does not welcome with open arms any plants from
>>
other states, particularly Florida. So shipping in plants from
my
>> nursery is not a possibility.
>>
>> I most
hardily suggest that California Aroiders get together, form a
>>
show committee and decide when a where and how they wish to do a
show.
>> Do not worry about the East Coast.
>>
>>
Denis
>> Silver Krome Gardens
>> Homestead
Fl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-----Original Message-----
>> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
>> [aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Bryan Lampl
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:25
PM
>> To: Discussion of aroids
>> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]
2nd Annual Aroid show?
>>
>>
>> Hello
Aroiders,
>>
>> I would like to make the suggestion of
switching coasts annually so
>> that those of us on the west coast
could have a better chance of
>> attending. I also do like
the idea of taking the plants to the
>> people and having the show
do some sort of country tour hitting a
>> different location each
year that highlights a botanical garden or
>> location that would
have a display of aroids for us to drool over.
>>
>> I do
suppose one of the most difficult issues would be the
>>
transporting of plants for sale. Obviously a lot of the
suppliers
>> for the Florida show are from that area and only have
to load up a
>> truck to deliver the goods.
>>
>>
Bryan Lampl
>> Southern California
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